Breath Taking No Knock Atrocity

[Jim Beaux]

Just cant imagine. Words fail me.

SWAT team throw a stun grenade into a toddler's CRIB during drugs raid leaving him in a coma with severe burns

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[Charles L. Cotton]

Deputies said they bought drugs from the house and came back with a no-knock warrant to arrest a man known to have drugs and weapons, WSB reported.

Nothing will change, nothing.

Chas.

[MeMelYup]

If that grenade makes a loud noise they better keep track of the babies hearing for a few years among other things.

[SewTexas]

Oh. my.......

that is horrible!

[mojo84]

The department, judge, cops on seen and no-knock warrant proponents should be real proud. Fine moment for law enforcement and the war on drugs.

Hopefully, but doubtfully, these type of entries will be reconsidered and used more judiciously.

[WildBill]

Officer safety is paramount.

[puma guy]

Officer safety is paramount.

Yes indeed; but I don't feel any safer!

[mamabearCali]

What I don't get is why, in the name of all that is holy, if firearms and drugs are known to be present and are such a threat to officers lives that they have to engage in combat tactics with potential children in the home, don't they wait for the guy to be leaving 7-11 and take him there then get a warrant for the house and show up and get the evidence no drama needed.


If I can think of that, why can't they?

Like I have said before we all think we are so sofistcated in our police and criminal justice system, but in much more brutal times those who enforced the law were severely punished if they burned innocents along with the guilty.

[jmra]

Just cant imagine. Words fail me.

I agree.
There are no words.

[mayor]

Deputies said they bought drugs from the house and came back with a no-knock warrant to arrest a man known to have drugs and weapons, WSB reported.

Nothing will change, nothing.

Chas.

I don't advocate drug use, ALCOHOL (and it is a drug) included, but people will use them anyway. The 'war on drugs' is government stupidity in all its glory. Drug use should be treated as a medical problem, not a criminal problem. this kind of government stupidity wouldn't be required.

[SewTexas]

What I don't get is why, in the name of all that is holy, if firearms and drugs are known to be present and are such a threat to officers lives that they have to engage in combat tactics with potential children in the home, don't they wait for the guy to be leaving 7-11 and take him there then get a warrant for the house and show up and get the evidence no drama needed.


If I can think of that, why can't they?

Like I have said before we all think we are so sofistcated in our police and criminal justice system, but in much more brutal times those who enforced the law were severely punished if they burned innocents along with the guilty.

there had to be a better way....I can come up with 3 or 4 without half trying, do they have no imagination? are they lazy? do they just not care?
this thing hit the UK newspaper, they don't care WHERE it was, it was "in the US" it doesn't matter that is was in podunck, Georgia, all police come off looking like raving lunatics. And every one of them should be angry right now.
but they won't be.

[gemini]

Makes me sick. Wish I hadn't read the story. I hate going to bed/sleep when I'm PO'd.
.....I'll wait for ALL the facts to come out before making a final judgement.....I'm sure the
baby was some kind of threat......
mamabearCali has the right idea.......the problem is: with all the cool flashbangs, auto-rifles,
body armour, door entry ram, armoured swat vehicles, kevlar helmets, thigh holsters,
wileyX glasses, tac-gloves, etc etc etc...... 7-11 take down would be boring. They have all
the toys and by golly they want to use them.

[EEllis]

What I don't get is why, in the name of all that is holy, if firearms and drugs are known to be present and are such a threat to officers lives that they have to engage in combat tactics with potential children in the home, don't they wait for the guy to be leaving 7-11 and take him there then get a warrant for the house and show up and get the evidence no drama needed.


If I can think of that, why can't they?

Like I have said before we all think we are so sofistcated in our police and criminal justice system, but in much more brutal times those who enforced the law were severely punished if they burned innocents along with the guilty.

Because there are never any kids at 7-11? You might be right that it is a better choice to try and apprehend someone outside a home but you have more variables that could occur outside than in a home. Assuming that it would provide better results without having access to more data is wishful thinking. What is really needed is real research into the issue and fact based decision making.

[gigag04]

What I don't get is why, in the name of all that is holy, if firearms and drugs are known to be present and are such a threat to officers lives that they have to engage in combat tactics with potential children in the home, don't they wait for the guy to be leaving 7-11 and take him there then get a warrant for the house and show up and get the evidence no drama needed.


If I can think of that, why can't they?

Like I have said before we all think we are so sofistcated in our police and criminal justice system, but in much more brutal times those who enforced the law were severely punished if they burned innocents along with the guilty.

Because there are never any kids at 7-11? You might be right that it is a better choice to try and apprehend someone outside a home but you have more variables that could occur outside than in a home. Assuming that it would provide better results without having access to more data is wishful thinking. What is really needed is real research into the issue and fact based decision making.

But the children...


In all seriousness, I preferred car takedowns as it was easier to get the tactical advantage (tahoe, K9, and two patrol units). IMHO a high risk stop is more tactically sound and usually safer in cases of wrong house/car.

[SewTexas]

someone posted about a police friend who has the utility co call the suspect with a "problem with the bill, must be taken care of today". suspect comes down to the utility office immediately, is swept away to the police station, and then the warrant is carried out at the home.
Problem solved
no one hurt, no babies burned, scarred for life
OMG it takes imagination
maybe every police station should hire a writer