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by mojo84
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:50 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

spectre wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:29 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:12 pm
WTR wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:07 pm
Problem is that I have never seen a red card and I know several people who had temporary disabilities who have received the blue card. I am in in NM and the card I was issued expired at my DL renewal date which was greater than four years.
Then again, this is a forum specific to Texas. I think it is quite evident there are quite a few differences between Texas and New Mexico. This may be one.
And this happened in Florida which is yet another state with its own differences.

And there's no evidence the woman in Florida was a disabled veteran or the Queen of the Nile, so she shouldn't have parked there.
Has anyone said she should have parked there?
by mojo84
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:12 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

WTR wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:07 pm
Problem is that I have never seen a red card and I know several people who had temporary disabilities who have received the blue card. I am in in NM and the card I was issued expired at my DL renewal date which was greater than four years.
Then again, this is a forum specific to Texas. I think it is quite evident there are quite a few differences between Texas and New Mexico. This may be one.

Here you go. www.txdmv.gov/motorists/disabled-parkin ... rds-plates
by mojo84
Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:37 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

dlh wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:54 pm
Not familiar with Florida law. Isn't there a grand jury in any of this? And, of course, I understand a prosecutor can "indict a ham sandwich."
He has been charged.
http://www.tampabay.com/florida-parking ... nslaughter


This does not appear to be a sickly old man that some seem to want to think he is.
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by mojo84
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:31 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

K.Mooneyham wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:07 pm
DISCLAIMER: I DON'T THINK THE SHOOTER IS THE BEST GUY ON EARTH! (some acted as if I thought that elsewhere on the 'Net). :confused5 :crazy:

And, I wouldn't have done what the shooter did in confronting the people parking illegally. Not my business, I leave that sort of enforcement up to the police who get paid to do that. However, after having a discussion on another site regarding this story, a lot of folks seem to not understand escalation/deescalation, but they do seem to think it's okay to lay hands on due to verbal provocation alone. Who knows, maybe in Florida that's okay? I just know it's not here in Texas, per PC 9.31. That said, I still do my best not talk trash to folks.

If the shooter had a history of doing that sort of thing, and threatened them in the process, why did no one ever call the police on him? Or did they? If they did, what was the result of those calls?
I have not seen anyone say it was ok to push the guy. My contention is that it is not acceptable or legal to shoot someone over being pushed if the attack was not continuing. Shooting someone out of retaliation is not acceptable.
by mojo84
Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:17 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

TreyHouston wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:31 pm
bblhd672 wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:06 pm
TreyHouston wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:47 pm
These must be a lot of people here that have never been blindly attacked. During that shock, can you make a split decision? You will only possibly pay with your life if you are wrong.

Just sayin, put yourself in his shoes and remember...
I can’t put myself in his shoes because I’m not a jerk who thinks he has the right to confront people about parking violations.

Now, if I’m minding my own business and an unprovoked attack like that occurs then the attacker is likely to face deadly force. I would hope that I have the opportunity to not pull the trigger should my attacker back away when I draw my self defense handgun.
What happened to the 1st amendment?
The government wasn't involved until the guy shot an unarmed guy. This is not a 1st amendment issue.
by mojo84
Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:45 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

tbrown wrote:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:43 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:21 pm
Another self-appointed parking cop's action gone bad. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c ... 84395.html
Wow. It's turning into a bad month for selfish people who park illegally in Florida.
Not good for the self appointed cops either.
by mojo84
Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

bblhd672 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:26 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:58 pm
This thread prompted me to do some research. It turned out to be quite entertaining to search on YouTube for "illegal handicap parking" and watch some of the videos.

Be aware, you'll hear some words that may hurt your sensitive ears. That's why I didn't post a link. I'm a little surprised there aren't more instances of things getting out of hand.
Hmmm...a volunteer handicapped parking monitor program in Harris County, TX.
It appears there are quite a few around the country. They are trained and I doubt the training includes standing there and chewing someone out and I did see they cannot carry a gun why doing it.
by mojo84
Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:58 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

This thread prompted me to do some research. It turned out to be quite entertaining to search on YouTube for "illegal handicap parking" and watch some of the videos.

Be aware, you'll hear some words that may hurt your sensitive ears. That's why I didn't post a link. I'm a little surprised there aren't more instances of things getting out of hand.
by mojo84
Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:01 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

LTUME1978 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:30 pm
If fact, we need more people to step up and speak out when the "privileged folks" break the law or those "privileged folks" will continue their behavior and escalate from there.
Like this guy? www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/ar ... 84395.html

I believe the "older gentleman" did more than just speak out.

So you really believe we need more self-appointed cops going around enforcing laws? Many people that engage someone over a traffic violation could try to justify their road rage by saying they are just trying to enforce the law. Would you endorse that behavior? There is a big difference in coming to someone's defense or aid and someone trying to enforce laws.
by mojo84
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:21 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

Another self-appointed parking cop's action gone bad. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c ... 84395.html

Is it really worth it to confront someone over a parking violation when there are better ways to deal with it available?

For full disclosure. I have said something to people that were illegally parked in a handicapped spot but I did not stop and give them a verbal tongue lashing or engage them in an argument or verbal altercation. I made them aware their actions were wrong and noted and kept on my way. A couple have actually gone back to their cars and moved them. A couple have told me where to go. Either way, my point was made and I didn't have to shoot anyone.
by mojo84
Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:35 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

I know the incident being discussed happened in Florida. However, who wants to bet the Houston volunteer parking enforement program's procedures, guidelines and code of conduct do not include delivering a verbal tongue lashing to violators?

http://www.houstontx.gov/parking/volunteer.html

I wonder if Florida cities have similar volunteer programs.


Here is a nonconfrontational way to report violators if anyone is interested. http://www.parkingmobility.com/volunteer I understand one will not get the feeling of moral superiority of adrenaline rush without the confrontation but this may be an option.
by mojo84
Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:06 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

BBYC wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:04 pm
mojo84 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:28 am
The video makes it pretty obvious what happened.
It does. It shows a man come out of the store and hit another man with so much force it knocks the other man to the ground. Then he gets shot once by the other man. Then he runs into the store and doesn't get shot in the back as he runs away.
Did he continue the attack after he shoved him or after the gun was produced? We don't get to shoot people for revenge. What was the guy's physical response to the gun being produced?

Try watching the video without any bias or preconceived ideas about who you want to be in the right.
by mojo84
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:57 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder

Rob72 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:32 am
dlh wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:37 am
mojo84 wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:28 am
The video makes it pretty obvious what happened.
The video is certainly helpful but there is quite a bit we as "arm-chair jurors" do not know.

1) What was said between the shooter and the girlfriend?

2) What was said between the shooter and the boyfriend?

3) How did it feel to get thrown to the hot asphalt in a convenience store parking lot while you are wearing shorts?

4) The skinny shooter looked somewhat frail to me--certainly not a husky football type.

Maybe we will learn more in the coming days---maybe not.
1) Given the outcome of the situation, this is largely irrelevant, if the interaction was more than ~10 seconds.
If the shooter said, "Ma'am, this is a disabled parking spot, would you mind moving your car?", any further words or actions on his part, other than,
"Ok, thank you..." and walking away escalated the situation. If he started with something less cordial, he was seeking a confrontation.

2) Legally, if the shooter intentionally places himself in a situation of conflict, this is (within very limited confines) irrelevant. It is generally
legally insufficient to act solely on the words of another person, in the absence of imminent danger. I.e., even if BF threatened to kill the
shooter, BF is backing up and not obviously trying to get into the car for a weapon, reaching to his waistband, etc.. Had BF continued advancing,
that would be a different situation as well. Bottom line, as LTCs we are responsible for assessing the situation, in the context of being a,
"reasonable person".

3) Probably hurt. If I pee on a light-socket, that will probably hurt too. This is a consequential progression, not a thoroughly unforseen event.
Shooter thought he could utilize verbal command-presence to dominate a woman in a car. He was so focused on the conflict he felt confident and
justified of winning that he neglected to assess for other factors in play. Ask any LE, when you amp-up with commands, you should have
reasonable expectation of physical conflict. Again, if the shooter is/was so completely unaware of violence dynamics that this is not part of his
consciousness, he should not be carrying. Yes, these are Big Boy Rules. The State has authorized him to apply lethal force. Some
actions/behaviors make applying that level of force more a certainty than a possibility brought about by multi-tiered failure to assess risk.

4) Agreed. Which falls under the, "don't let your mouth write checks your butt can't cash," paradigm. Again, this was not an unprovoked assault.
Regardless of her floral, or thorny, personality, the woman is at a distinct disadvantage, seated in the car, not to mention the level of "disrespect"
imparted by the lecture. Street-norms indicate you'll get a butt-whuppin' if you try that too many times. If you're skinny dude, and you start
altercations with Big Dude, and you do so knowing you have lethal force at hand, you are not functioning within the intent of SDA. Again, you
might skate by, but sooner or later...

One of the big messages not to miss in this is the proper and adequate utilization of verbal skills. Out and about, if we feel the need to try and direct others in what we consider appropriate behavior, we need to be able to do so very affably, and in a highly self-effacing fashion. If we are not aware of how others perceive us we may end up in very hot water, through the best of intentions. One might even suggest that helping someone who was disabled with their groceries/other tasks, perhaps even looking for such people and situations, would be a better use of time and energy than "preaching righteousness to the unwashed." But that is an attitude of service, not Authority, and perhaps that is the difference in this situation.

Lastly,

1Peter 3:15-16
But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope you possess. But respond with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who slander you will be put to shame by your good behavior in Christ.

Whether one is Christian or not, that is excellent advice, and will keep one out of enormous quantities of trouble. ;-)
Those are some excellent thoughts and perspective.
by mojo84
Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:09 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: FL:Stand your ground law under fire for parking space dispute murder
Replies: 170
Views: 5641

Re: What a joke we've become

flechero wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:02 am
We really suck as a community of 2A and CHL/LTC brethren. We are a house divided, in the saddest sense.

I didn't particularly "like" the shoot, but we still don't have the relevant facts to judge him. I see a huge gap in what's legal vs what we think is good or right...

For every one of you high horsers, there are always those that ride higher... and if you ever face an attack that you defend yourself from, well baby, you better strap in for the keyboard commando lynch mob!! :banghead: Guilty until proven innocent... nice job, guys.






(Sorry Charles)


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