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by 2firfun50
Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:08 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: 2013-01-11 Chron.com: Dewhurst on K-12 guns
Replies: 14
Views: 2212

Re: 2013-01-11 Chron.com: Dewhurst on K-12 guns

Jumping Frog wrote:
2firfun50 wrote:I'm not completely comfortable with the CHL crowd who qualified a while back with a brand new firearm and haven't practiced since. I have an acquantance that has never fired his EDC. Bought it new, loaded it up and thinks he's good to go. He qualified with another gun and hasn't shot it since either.

Trying to get him to go to the range is like pulling teeth. He doesn't even own a cleaning kit.
If an active shooter was in my children's High School roaming the halls and gunning down children, I'd still rather your acquaintance was there armed with a chance to stop the threat rather than leaving my children utterly defenseless.

I think the whole "schools are an extra-special case so we need extra-special training" is missing the mark, and actually playing into the anti-gunners mentality. Schools aren't fundamentally any different than businesses, shopping malls or any other place where crowds of people gather, and the general CHL has a proven track record sustained in many states over a couple of decades. If you argue for more training for schools, then you open yourself to the argument, "well, why not more training for shopping malls"?

None of these CHL's in schools are meant to be "tactical operators" or "emergency responders" anyway. Basically, instead of having a totally unarmed population, it simply makes sense to allow a responsible adult the opportunity to defend himself (and if he chooses, defend other innocent parties) instead of standing there defenseless. The same equation plays in a shopping mall or anyplace else crowds gather.

As far as this whole "quarterly qualification", geez, give me a break. This is the same session where we are looking to reduce the number of training hours from 12 to 4 because the additional training has not been demonstrated to save additional lives.

Training as a personal decision is something I fully support in my own choices, shooting and competing approximately 30 times a year. But I do not support the government making tighter restrictions.
I agree with everything you said. I was just trying to suggest something that might pass. Every CHL holder should be allowed to carry in a school or at school activities.
by 2firfun50
Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:22 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: 2013-01-11 Chron.com: Dewhurst on K-12 guns
Replies: 14
Views: 2212

Re: 2013-01-11 Chron.com: Dewhurst on K-12 guns

RHenriksen wrote:I'm not gonna pile on :-)

I'll just say that I'd prefer less regulation, red tape, and expense. If the above was a necessary evil to get it passed, I won't fall over and die; but I'd prefer not to add yet more government.
I'm with you on the less regulation, red tape, and expense. However, I'm not completely comfortable that the current training is adequate for just throwing open the schools to any CHL holder. Especially when your mission is to provide some sense of emergency armed security. Specifically of concern is the firearms accuracy portion.

I'm sure the majority of board members here practice regularly and are well above the average and are mentally prepared.

I'm not completely comfortable with the CHL crowd who qualified a while back with a brand new firearm and haven't practiced since. I have an acquantance that has never fired his EDC. Bought it new, loaded it up and thinks he's good to go. He qualified with another gun and hasn't shot it since either.

Trying to get him to go to the range is like pulling teeth. He doesn't even own a cleaning kit.

In my plan, to get and keep the endorsement, one would need to shoot CHL instructor scores and regularly demonstrate profciency. A little help from the assigned school LEO might be needed.
by 2firfun50
Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:38 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: 2013-01-11 Chron.com: Dewhurst on K-12 guns
Replies: 14
Views: 2212

Re: 2013-01-11 Chron.com: Dewhurst on K-12 guns

RHenriksen wrote:http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Te ... 186974.php

"Dewhurst says the state funding needed would depend on the number of participating districts and how many people want training. School districts wouldn't be required to participate."

I certainly hope there is more to any upcoming bill than this - that we'd escape from the need for a school district board to explicitly grant permission for a teacher, staff, or parent to carry on campus under their CHL.
At least the subject is being brought up for discussion. I'd hate to see the funding pulled from the normal school budget to pay for the additional training.

Another suggestion might be to have a "school endorsement" for CHL holders similar to endorsements to drivers licenses. School bus drivers must have a CDL with a bus endorsement.

The CHL holder (whether a school employee or not) would complete a state approved additional training course and receive a "school endorsement" on their CHL. Training and licensing fees may be paid by the state for employees. If you are not an employee (or your distric won't pay) the training and licensing fees are on your dime. The endorsement would be a "shall issue" just like a CHL.

Once you receive your endorsement, every school district "shall" honor the endorsement for all school activities anywhere any time, employee or not.

Its another option if we can't get access to all school activities with a CHL.

Ok, feel free to pile on.

EDIT: This plan seems to fit in with other threads.

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