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I got all excited about the new Pistol Caliber Carbine (PCC) division that I went out and bought one. Now the released rulebook makes PCC nonexistent as a division. It makes no sense.

The 2017 IDPA rulebook was updated again and the latest version is 2017.2 and here is a link: http://members.idpa.com/Content/Rules/4sig5pxx.mr1.pdf

Malawler wrote:Are .30 Carbine and 5.7x28 FN "pistol" cartridges?

I would say it would be up to your Match Director if they would consider these rounds to be "pistol" cartridges. I base that on the finalized IDPA 2017 Rulebook that was recently released that removed all the language about the PCC division but allows PCC as an optional Specialty Division that your Match Director decides to allow or not. I'm sure someone more informed that I can give you a better answer.

The finalized rulebook has the PCC acronym only showing up 4 times and they don't even define what the PCC acronym is, oops. The words "pistol caliber carbine" show up only 2 times in the new rulebook as well. So PCC was essentially removed from the new rulebook.

Here is a podcast from Tactical Triangle about the IDPA 2017 rule changes that also includes a written summary.

Hi Skiprr,

I have been competing in IDPA for 3 years now and I hear a lot of the same dissatisfaction with IDPA from other competitors.

From what I understand about the 2017 IDPA rulebook, the SO's will retake the exam when their current certification expires and not when the new rulebook goes into affect. The way IDPA handled retesting all the SO's for the last rulebook change did not go over well with a lot of the SO's I know.

It seems like the carbine division came out of no where. I had not heard anybody mention it on any of the forums I have been reading. However, I'm going to take advantage of that division to get better with my rifle in defensive scenarios.

I think IDPA management added the carbine division to keep up with USPSA and 3 Gun competitions and attract new shooters.

Even with all the rule changes I don't like I will still look forward to shooting IDPA at PSC because of all the great people I meet plus I get to shoot defensive scenarios.

Hi Chas,

I'm a PSC member and it's great PSC is going to support the PCC division. I see this as an opportunity for me to improve my carbine skills in defensive situations.

About a 6 months ago I picked up a Kel Tec Sub 2000 Gen 2 in 9mm for a home defense carbine. It shoots really well when the front sight does not rotate. I still need to send it back to Kel Tec to get the updated front sight that fixes the issue.

C-dub and Lena,

The IDPA rules changing every 2 years is frustrating and I know folks at my club have not been very happy about it. I have been shooting BUG for the past 18 months and come January 1, 2017 by subcompact pistol will no longer be legal in that division. I simply can't afford to keep buying pistols to stay IDPA legal, although that may be a good excuse to get one anyway.

What did your clubs replace IDPA with?

I have spent a day thinking about the Pistol Caliber Carbine (PCC) Division and after the shock has worn off about carbine rifles in IDPA, I think I'm okay with it and here is why:

1) The carbine rifles will be in their own division so their score won't impact me.

2) Although IDPA is a sport, I really like the defensive pistol aspect of it. For the past 18 months I have competed exclusively with my EDC subcompact pistol and now I shoot significantly better with the small pistol. I now see the PCC Division as an opportunity for me to greatly improve my defensive carbine rifle skills without having to seek out a rifle competition. I could shoot 3 Gun or the carbine rifle equivalent that USPSA seems to be doing, but I like how the IDPA stages are setup. So count me in favor of PCC.

I have been reading on other forums where lots of folks are upset with a carbine rifle division being added to IPDA. When I first learned about the PCC division I did not know what to think about this big change to the rules, but I took some time to think about it and I now see it as an opportunity for me to improve my rifle skills in a defensive situation.

I will have to wait and see how the PSC Shooting Club will roll out the PCC Division. The IDPA 2017 rulebook seems to have some rules that are not consistent with PCC including items like starting facing up range and is a cover garment required for PCC?

[Edited to fix a typo.]

The IDPA 2017 rulebook adds a Pistol Caliber Carbine Division (PCC), which will be pistol caliber rifles. Here is a link to the IDPA 2017 rulebook: http://www.idpa.com/misc/Rulebook%202017.pdf

I don't know how I feel about the new rifle division in the pistol sport.

This topic is also being discussed here: http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/12428/2 ... -HQ?page=1

Thoughts?