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by OlBill
Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:47 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Another casualty of Open Carry
Replies: 213
Views: 66218

Re: Another casualty of Open Carry

I see some that just say 30.06 sign. No mention of 30.07.

What does that mean? Probably were already 30.07?
by OlBill
Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:02 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Another casualty of Open Carry
Replies: 213
Views: 66218

Re: Another casualty of Open Carry

I don't disagree parabelum, they are louder, they get the attention. I'm not sure the average citizen can distinguish, at least right now. More and more encounters like yours and perhaps that will change.

It happens all the time. Many people believe terrorists speak for all Muslims. Or Farrakhan speaks for all black people.

Because they are the loudest.

The media isn't interested in listening to calm, reasonable professionals discussing facts. They want AR15s in Starbucks and terrified children.
by OlBill
Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:51 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Another casualty of Open Carry
Replies: 213
Views: 66218

Re: Another casualty of Open Carry

jed wrote:
I don't think we can blame the anti's any more than we can blame OCT for the 30.07 postings and the increase of 30.06 postings. The local PDs with their info meetings did the most damage. They made EVERY business aware of 30.07 and hence 30.06. If you look at OC from a business owner's view (not pro or anti gun but a neutral view of guns), they simply do not want people walking around their business OCing. After all, it is their business not ours. This is not a difficult concept to comprehend.

Our best option is to educate these businesses with a polite, informative and non aggressive approach. There's not enough of us to threaten them financially with taking our business elsewhere, they probably couldn't care less. Now, that being said (did I just use that phrase?), I am suggesting CC education. I am not sure we can convince businesses that OC won't scare off their other customers.
Great post.
by OlBill
Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:48 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Another casualty of Open Carry
Replies: 213
Views: 66218

Re: Another casualty of Open Carry

parabelum wrote:Just thought about this...if we, the polite OC/CC community folks choose to CC only, and suppose that the ONLY OC interaction businesses see are with OCT ilk, y'all think that's good,bad or indifferent to our 2A cause.
Just thinking....
Sorry if it's a reducto ad absurdum thinking...
Certainly worth considering, but I don't think the distinction will be made by the nay sayers.
by OlBill
Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:47 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Another casualty of Open Carry
Replies: 213
Views: 66218

Re: Another casualty of Open Carry

JP171 wrote:
OlBill wrote:
bruiser1563 wrote:I now see more 30.06 signs then ever...I probably would've never carried open anyway but now my rights to carry concealed are being restricted more and more every day
We never had a right to carry on their property. It is a privilege.
we have never had a "right" to even go on their property at all, the carry is a right not a privilege. the privilege is we can go on to the property
I stand corrected.
by OlBill
Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:33 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Another casualty of Open Carry
Replies: 213
Views: 66218

Re: Another casualty of Open Carry

bruiser1563 wrote:I now see more 30.06 signs then ever...I probably would've never carried open anyway but now my rights to carry concealed are being restricted more and more every day
We never had a right to carry on their property. It is a privilege.
by OlBill
Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:30 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Another casualty of Open Carry
Replies: 213
Views: 66218

Re: Another casualty of Open Carry

LTUME1978 wrote:Richbirdhunter,

You must live in a very isolated part of the state. Here in Houston, once the signs are up, they are not ever going to come down. All open carry did was wake the liberals up in Houston to the fact that they could be putting up signs. I see more signs going up in the tunnels in downtown Houston every day. With every new sign, someone else asks what that is all about and gets the idea that they should post as well.

The lid is off this can of worms and it will never go back. I hope the right to walk around looking like Wyatt Earp is worth it to the open carry folks because a lot of us are loosing our right to concealed carry and it may cost some of us our lives for your privilege to play cowboy.
Wyatt Earp, according to the biography I have, carried concealed, open and went unarmed at times. He also wore a suit and tie a lot when he was in town. He was once disarmed having a pistol concealed in his pocket while refereeing a professional fight.

He and his brother also outlawed concealed and open carry in every town they worked, so they would be the only ones armed.

The people that carry openly respectfully are no more "Wyatt Earp" than the people who concealed carry are Jason Bourne.

Before this January 1st, what were we doing? Hiding our right with a t shirt and hoping the property owner was too ignorant or lazy to exercise his? Look at all the glee here when someone finds an out of compliance sign. Is that something we should be celebrating? Ignorance of the law?

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