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by OlBill
Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:52 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun
Replies: 131
Views: 8690

Re: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:58 am
Actually the term "civilian" can also be used to describe someone who is not part of a group. Like professional poker players might refer to casual tourists as "civilians". This might be more of a slang term, though. I'm not sure how this relates to the topic of this thread, though.
It sounds like a term of derision. Like a mark.
by OlBill
Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:49 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun
Replies: 131
Views: 8690

Re: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun

NNT wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:05 pm
I totally agree if they work outside the law it is very dangerous. :iagree: They do not have the right to arrest me any time the choose, there are laws (as I mentioned previously) that dictate what, where, how, etc. :rules:

I also completely agree with your last comment. I wish they were not a necessity. :iagree:

As to the what we can carry, I believe a free people should be able to own any and all firearms, tanks, whatever. If we use them to harm others there should be stiff consequences.

I understand language matters, and correct words can make a big difference. I also understand we use words to communicate ideas, and if we (as a people) differ on some terms, but understand the intended message, we can get along. :cheers2:

The origin and correct usage of terms like rights, privilege authority duty morals ethics, etc could be an interesting and lively debate in a different time and place. :boxing
I'm truly pleased we could find common ground.
by OlBill
Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:47 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun
Replies: 131
Views: 8690

Re: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun

ScottDLS wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:48 pm
My view of the term civilian always included LEOs too unless they were currently serving on active duty in the uniformed armed services of the United States. Cops are civilians, Marines are not... :biggrinjester: FBI, civilian. US Army, not. :rules:
That is correct. Subject to UCMJ.
by OlBill
Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:46 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun
Replies: 131
Views: 8690

Re: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun

NNT wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:39 pm
OlBill wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:30 am
A right is a possessed power of a freedom to do or freedom from
I think we will not agree on the symantics of the definition. I'm ok with that.

I am ok to be a civilian, not a subject.

More on topic I suppose, I believe police must work within the laws, and they obviously have more law enforcement authority than I do. I would like to carry where they can, but if I can't, I still want them to. I don't think they should get perks due to the job, but it happens. Every Leo I know personally speeds and never stops at stop signs in their personal car.
I don't see it as semantics to claim the police have a right to arrest. I see it as dangerous.

They have more law enforcement authority than I do too, because I don't have any. But that doesn't confer rights.

Why are police authorized to carry firearms in the performance of their duties?

Why do I have the right to bear arms?

They do have additional responsibilities and we all know it is immoral delegate responsibility without authority.

The police do not have the right to arrest me. They have the responsibility and therefore the authority to do so if and when they have probable cause.

There is a huge difference in my book.

Laws and police are an unfortunate necessity. Would that it were not so.
by OlBill
Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:30 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun
Replies: 131
Views: 8690

Re: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun

A right is a possessed power of a freedom to do or freedom from.

Police have no more rights than any other person in this country. Nor should they refer to us as civilians, as they are themselves.

What they have are specified delegated authorities to perform the functions of their assigned tasks.
by OlBill
Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:53 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun
Replies: 131
Views: 8690

Re: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun

NNT wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:05 pm
OlBill wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:36 pm
NNT wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:35 pm
Liberty wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:14 am
The cop didn't have to disarm all he had to do was cover it up. Just like us of the lower classes are required to do. What bothers me is that people for some reason this guy is entitled more than the rest of us.
I’m not a LEO but it’s seems logical if he has his badge on display he is representing himself as a LEO, and a gun and a badge are a matched set. Why would a uniform even come into the conversation? He does have special rights. He can arrest people, that’s a special right. Doesn’t make him royalty, but he should be able to carry the tools of his trade.
It's not a right. It's a delegated authority.
What’s the difference.? All “rights” are delegated from somewhere/someone. Constitution, God, nature, HOA, My boss...bottom line he has the authority. Symantics.
I completely disagree.
by OlBill
Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:36 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun
Replies: 131
Views: 8690

Re: Manager at Texas Whataburger denies service to detective because of his gun

NNT wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:35 pm
Liberty wrote:
Sun Jun 03, 2018 5:14 am
The cop didn't have to disarm all he had to do was cover it up. Just like us of the lower classes are required to do. What bothers me is that people for some reason this guy is entitled more than the rest of us.
I’m not a LEO but it’s seems logical if he has his badge on display he is representing himself as a LEO, and a gun and a badge are a matched set. Why would a uniform even come into the conversation? He does have special rights. He can arrest people, that’s a special right. Doesn’t make him royalty, but he should be able to carry the tools of his trade.
It's not a right. It's a delegated authority.

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