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by montgomery
Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:43 am
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: How to Handle Student's Failed Proficient Test
Replies: 56
Views: 22751

Re: How to Handle Student's Failed Proficient Test

Mike S wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:27 am
montgomery wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:06 am
twomillenium wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:37 pm
montgomery wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:31 pm
Charles L. Cotton wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:00 pm As jimd1981 noted, DPS allows students three attempts to qualify. I've only had four students not pass on the first attempt. Three passed on the second and the fourth passed on the third attempt. I don't charge them for multiple attempts. The three who passed on the second attempt simply shot with another relay. (Luckily, they initially shot with the first relay.) The lady who needed three tries shot with me after the class was over for everyone else.

Chas.
Pardon me asking on a dated thread - but for the life of me I cannot verify the time limit from first attempt to third attempt to pass written and / or shooting. Seems to me if a student passes written but fails shooting, they have one year to pass before the written portion is void. Is this correct? I had 2 students last week that passed the written portion but could not pass the shooting portion.
I had a situation where a student had broken their arm and took the classroom portion, knowing the shooting proficiency would be delayed by a few weeks. Things did not work out and the student was not able to shoot for almost 8 months due to surgery on arm. I did call DPS and was told the time starts on the classroom portion and technically they had up to two years to take the proficiency part before the classroom portion expired. Note: This was over 4 years ago, I have not read any changes to this procedure, except when the DPS changed the LTC !00 was only good for 1 year, but they changed back to 2 years in a short amount of time.
Thank you ... I cannot find a source to verify the one or two year limit ...
Here is the link to the Admin Rules:

https://texreg.sos.state.tx.us/public/r ... ch=6&rl=14

Subsection (c) says the student has 3 opportunities to pass both the written & proficiency exams, within a 12- month period.

Subsection (d) says the instructor must submit ALL failures. If it is the third (hence final failure, that must also be annotated).

Subsection (f) says the LTC-100 is only valid for 1 year. (The published rule contradicts what some have said the RSD has told them (and I don't discount that they were told that), but until the change is posted I will go with what is on the official website).

Excerpt below:
c) A handgun license applicant will have three opportunities to pass the written examination and the proficiency examination within a 12 month period.

(d) The qualified handgun instructor or approved online course provider must submit all examination failures to the department on the class completion notification. The notification must indicate if the failure occurred after the handgun license applicant had been given three opportunities to pass the examinations.

(f) All certificates of training (LTC-100 or LTC-101) are valid for one year from the date of issuance. Any certificate of training that is required in conjunction with an application must be valid on the date the completed application is submitted to the department.
Thank you my brother ... very much appreciate your effort, insight, and the source!!
by montgomery
Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:06 am
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: How to Handle Student's Failed Proficient Test
Replies: 56
Views: 22751

Re: How to Handle Student's Failed Proficient Test

twomillenium wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:37 pm
montgomery wrote: Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:31 pm
Charles L. Cotton wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:00 pm As jimd1981 noted, DPS allows students three attempts to qualify. I've only had four students not pass on the first attempt. Three passed on the second and the fourth passed on the third attempt. I don't charge them for multiple attempts. The three who passed on the second attempt simply shot with another relay. (Luckily, they initially shot with the first relay.) The lady who needed three tries shot with me after the class was over for everyone else.

Chas.
Pardon me asking on a dated thread - but for the life of me I cannot verify the time limit from first attempt to third attempt to pass written and / or shooting. Seems to me if a student passes written but fails shooting, they have one year to pass before the written portion is void. Is this correct? I had 2 students last week that passed the written portion but could not pass the shooting portion.
I had a situation where a student had broken their arm and took the classroom portion, knowing the shooting proficiency would be delayed by a few weeks. Things did not work out and the student was not able to shoot for almost 8 months due to surgery on arm. I did call DPS and was told the time starts on the classroom portion and technically they had up to two years to take the proficiency part before the classroom portion expired. Note: This was over 4 years ago, I have not read any changes to this procedure, except when the DPS changed the LTC !00 was only good for 1 year, but they changed back to 2 years in a short amount of time.
Thank you ... I cannot find a source to verify the one or two year limit ...
by montgomery
Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:31 pm
Forum: Instructors' Corner
Topic: How to Handle Student's Failed Proficient Test
Replies: 56
Views: 22751

Re: How to Handle Student's Failed Proficient Test

Charles L. Cotton wrote: Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:00 pm As jimd1981 noted, DPS allows students three attempts to qualify. I've only had four students not pass on the first attempt. Three passed on the second and the fourth passed on the third attempt. I don't charge them for multiple attempts. The three who passed on the second attempt simply shot with another relay. (Luckily, they initially shot with the first relay.) The lady who needed three tries shot with me after the class was over for everyone else.

Chas.
Pardon me asking on a dated thread - but for the life of me I cannot verify the time limit from first attempt to third attempt to pass written and / or shooting. Seems to me if a student passes written but fails shooting, they have one year to pass before the written portion is void. Is this correct? I had 2 students last week that passed the written portion but could not pass the shooting portion.

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