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RicoTX wrote: <snip>
I'm not saying Pence shouldn't have security. I'm saying that by having him speak at the largest gathering of 2A supporters, but not allowing good guys to carry guns makes our entire argument weak. We should not put ourselves in this situation. He could have done this remotely without saying why and accomplished the same thing. Now the left will be saying that even the republicans don't trust good guys with a gun.

The optics of this are simply terrible... and could have been avoided.
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I stand by my statement...even I saw this coming...the nra big wigs had to know it was coming...and yes I know I have been quoted all over the place. We all know the issue is the secret service....but the 2nd to last line in my quote is exactly how the press is playing it. I knew they would, and the NRA knew they would....which is why i said what is in the last line.

That being said, I hope there are record crowds and something good comes from President Trump and VP Pence being there....maybe letting us carry in the post office...
Hey a guy can dream right?

Let me answer your question. I don't know that every guy with a gun is good. That is the price of freedom. A very few will not be good. Does that mean we punish everyone because of a few? Sounds familiar.

Again....I understand the SS has the legal right to ban guns. Why create this situation at a gun rights conference? It's insanely poor decision making.

cyphertext wrote:
In a room full of people, how do you know who is a "good guy"? Does it come stamped on their forehead or something? Just because someone has a carry permit does not necessarily make them a good guy. Look at the recent shootings... many of those folks passed a background check and purchased their guns legally... but were they "good guys"?

What if the convention was being held in a state like Arizona that has constitutional carry? How would you vet the "good guys"? Do you believe that every single person in attendance at the NRA convention is a "good guy"? That whole argument is weak to begin with. Many of the recent shooters were folks who passed background checks and had their firearms legally... in other words, vetted as "good guys"...

If we can't trust an LTC holder or an NRA member, then what the heck are we supporting anymore? Sorry, if I felt that way, I would not be an NRA member or on an LTC forum. I'm sorry, do we support the 2nd or don't we? Sounds like only when it's convenient.... that's like saying well I support the 2nd amendment but I won't allow you to have guns around me. This is crazy! I'm just amazed I have to admit.

Anybody , including the President who says they support 2A, but would not allow an upstanding citizen to have a gun around them, does not really support the 2nd amendment. The idea is worse than the Hollywood elite with security....at least they are honest about not wanting you and I to have a gun.

Maybe I'm the only one feels that way... that's fine...just really sad because it means the battle and the war is already lost.

flechero wrote:
no Jason812, not directed towards you at all and I share your question of what will be off limits. I also want to see him but I'm not driving myself so have no outside storage option.

My comment was the one he was referring too...I respect your opinion, but we differ.

I'm not saying Pence shouldn't have security. I'm saying that by having him speak at the largest gathering of 2A supporters, but not allowing good guys to carry guns makes our entire argument weak. We should not put ourselves in this situation. He could have done this remotely without saying why and accomplished the same thing. Now the left will be saying that even the republicans don't trust good guys with a gun. And they will be correct. They could have simply allowed only LTC members and recip states... would u still have a problem with that? Do they not trust LTC members either? It doesn't matter that the SS would say no...it just makes us look like hypocrites...in this instance we are. It doesn't matter if it's the person or the office... the message is the VP is more important than the 2A. Is he? Is the office?

The optics of this are simply terrible... and could have been avoided.

However, while I won't be going...I hope it is a large crowd and that his speech has some kind of impact...even if he is preaching to the choir....well the disarmed choir anyway

magillapd wrote:This will be my first year going, so I've been watching the news about this.

Vice President will be speaking, so no guns allowed in the Arena. I'm assuming that's what they mean. I hope this doesn't mean no carry ANYWHERE. Was going to purchase a ticket, but since carry will be prohibited, guess I'll skip.

Due to the attendance of the Vice President of the United States, the U.S. Secret Service will be responsible for event security at the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum. As a result, firearms and firearm accessories, knives or weapons of any kind will be prohibited in the forum prior to and during his attendance. We will be posting a longer list of prohibited items in the near future.

https://www.etix.com/ticket/p/8137229/n ... anguage=en

If this is true and applies to LTC folks.... if I was a dem, I'd have a field day with this. Obviously even republicans and so called leaders don't trust the "good guys". I realize it's the VP, but still makes our whole argument look foolish. You may disagree...but in my opinion the very people that claim to protect the 2A should never host an event that requires disarming the good guys. Sad. No excuses for this...it makes us look stupid.