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The Annoyed Man wrote: (2) why are people showing their LTC as primary ID anyway? Is it a sort of showing off thing or something? What I mean is, unless you're open carrying, why not just show your TDL as a primary form of ID?

I can only answer this question for myself; I don't claim to speak for everyone. Personally, I use my LTC as my primary ID so that people will see that I am a polite, friendly, decent person...who carries a gun. We talk quite a bit about being good ambassadors for gun enthusiasts, licensed carriers, and the pro-2A crowd. We can be nice all we want, but if nobody knows we're carrying, it doesn't make an impression on anyone. I know we tend to think that all of society is made up of pro-gun and anti-gun people, but that just hasn't been my experience. Many people really haven't thought about the issue, or they have and are still on the fence. The only way we can influence those people is if they know who we are. That is part of the reason I open carry most of the time, and it is why I show my LTC for ID. I have only been asked for my DL a couple of times when doing so, and have said "okay" and given it to them when it happened.

The last time I used my LTC for ID, the person I showed it to commented that he was looking for a place to take the class. He said his father bought him a gun, and said he could have it after he took the LTC class with him. He hadn't gotten around to it yet because he didn't know where to take it or how much it cost. He grew up shooting out in the country, and hadn't been to a range. I recommended a local range and even found him a groupon to help with the cost. I encouraged him to do it, and told him how neat it would be to get to take the class with his dad. He got excited about it and thanked me for the recommendation and the encouragement. This whole interaction never would have happened had I not used my LTC as ID. Because of it, there are a couple more people out there with their licenses.

If you want to keep it private that you carry, that's fine. I can understand that mindset. Just please don't think that the only reason someone would do otherwise is to show off. I just want people to see that gun owners and carriers are not all a bunch of nuts like the media portrays us, and give them the opportunity to open up a dialogue if they are so inclined. Sorry to write so much, but I didn't think you would mind.

I don't know of anything untoward that can be done with an LTC number. That said, an LEO is the only person I would let take down my information. There's just no good reason anyone else would want to do so.

gljjt wrote:It is state law, but I wouldn't take it out on the cashier (not saying the OP did). The store is responsible for training them. It's a management issue not an employee issue. I wouldn't expect an hourly clerk to know every law related to ID. Even if storr policy is wrong, I would anticipate the employee following the policy. They don't know if the customer is right or the store is right. If the store has a policy that says no to a LTC as an ID anything more than politely informing the cashier as an FYI is unfair to the employee. Take it offline with the manager. Just my opinion.

Absolutely. I got next to no training when working as a cashier. It's definitely a management issue. Most of the time, if you bring something like this up politely and in the right context, management will thank you, check it out after you leave, and then train their people.

I can't find anything about fines either. I don't really want to have fines levied for this sort of thing, but it would be a good motivating factor when speaking to management. It lets you come off as just looking out for their best interest. "I just wanted to let you know about it, because the store could be subject to fines for this, and I would hate to see that happen to y'all." That sort of thing.

bblhd672 wrote:House Bill 2739 http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 02739F.htm

Effective: September 1, 2015

Caption: Relating to the use of a concealed handgun license as valid proof of personal identification.

Amends the Business and Commerce Code to require businesses to accept a LTC as a valid form of personal identification for access to goods, services, or facilities.
Does not affect laws requiring a driver license to operate a motor vehicle.
Does not effect the existing requirement to present a driver license when renting a car.
Does not affect the type of identification required under federal law to access airport premises or to pass through airport security.

I knew someone would know where to find it. Thanks!

LTC is most definitely a legal form of ID. If I remember correctly, any place that requires state issued ID is required by law to accept your LTC. I don't know what law that is or how to find it, but someone here more knowledgeable may. I would most definitely speak to a manager to ensure that their employees are retrained. Be polite about it, but make it clear that it is illegal for their employee to refuse to accept your LTC as age verification. It's a minor point, but I feel it's an important one.