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by MaduroBU
Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:23 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 419
Views: 38576

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

Bitter Clinger wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:06 pm
MaduroBU wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:26 am
7 years for me, but neurosurgery residents still have no formal duty hours.
Sorry, badly worded question. If they don't have them, how did you routinely violate?
Neurosurgery got a special exemption for duty hour restrictions so that they could keep working 120 hour weeks. I was not a neurosurgery resident (did general surgery before switching to internal medicine), so while I technically had duty hour restrictions, we just violated them. The violations were nearly all in the surgery program, which was the major reason that I switched career paths. I worried that I'd regret it at the time, but it turned out that having a life outside of medicine counts for a lot.
by MaduroBU
Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:26 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 419
Views: 38576

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

7 years for me, but neurosurgery residents still have no formal duty hours.
by MaduroBU
Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:05 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 419
Views: 38576

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

Bitter Clinger wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:24 pm
Killadocg23 wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:18 pm
ELB wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:29 am
Killadocg23 wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:25 am
Being tired from working a 14hr shift is no excuse. How many thousands of people work 14hr shifts everyday and don’t go to the wrong apartment and shoot somebody in their OWN apartment. Just wow.
Not an excuse, and jury still out on what exactly happened here, but fatigue is not a trivial factor either. The military and commercial air services came to grips with this a long time ago because when a pilot makes a fatigue-induced error that kills, it's immediate, spectacular, and takes a lot of people and $$$ with him. Hence flying hour restrictions are in place. The commercial trucking industry has sleep/drive restrictions. It appears to me the work shifts for doctors in training and in ERs are often pretty brutal, actually, and it's been accepted for a long time that it's part of being a doctor in those circumstances. Coincidentally perhaps, there seem to be a high rate of errors in hospitals. But the results of erroneous medicine happen to individual patients, one at a time, and are not always fatal,, and thus are handled individually. So short of cutting off the wrong leg they don't make a newspaper headline like crashing an airliner does.

Cops would seem to be in a similar situation as doctors -- long shifts, sometimes double shifts, probably most fatigue-induced errors are small and not very noticeable to the public at large. Applying duty hour restrictions to cops (and medical personnel) will drive up costs substantially, so I don't see anyone making a push for this any time soon.
Points noted.
There are duty restriction in place for medical residents.
Neurosurgery residents don't have duty hour restrictions. I routinely violated them while in training. It's just part of the job.

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