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Soccerdad1995 wrote:But by not adding a grandfather clause, the ATF's proposed rule is creating a separate and distinct violation of the U.S. Constitution through an uncompensated taking.

Not in the slightest.

Banning them is not taking them, unless people are required to turn them into the BATF and not allowed to destroy or disable them. Or export them.

I agree lawmaking by bureaucrats rather than the legislature is unconstitutional but SCOTUS seems to disagree with us. The CFR is filled with "laws" that weren't passed by Congress. That ship has sailed. I would be ecstatic if SCOTUS torpedoes that ship and rules all agency-made rules and regulations null and void for people who don't work for those agencies. I'm not holding my breath.

I'm also not holding my breath waiting for SCOTUS to rule NFA unconstitutional.

The tooling is a sunk cost, so it makes sense to churn out and sell as many as possible before they're banned. Even if the ban flops, they can take advantage of surge pricing, like Uber.

MechAg94 wrote:

jason812 wrote:

Misfit Child wrote:

jason812 wrote:If this goes through, what is the government prepared to do when nobody turns their bump stocks in to be destroyed?

The same thing they did if you had an Akins Accelerator and didn't remove the spring or get rid of it. The same thing they do if you cut a rifle barrel to 14" or make a lightning link from an old license plate.

One of those you could buy, the others make with no paper trail. So what did the government do if you legally purchased an Akins Accelerator and didn't turn it in? I didn't ask what happens if you get caught with an illegal mod. What will they do when you don't turn in your bump stock?

Don't take that like I'm angry. I know it can come across that way just from text.

They won't do anything. I am sure lots of people paid cash for their slide fire stocks so there is no record. It is just illegal to possess. If for some reason you are ever arrested with it or an LEO or federal officer sees it, you could be in for a difficult time with the feds. Sucks but short of a court victory or better politicians, I doubt it will change.

The BATF won't go door to door. They don't have the guts for that unless they have lots of backup like at Mount Carmel. No sir.

They will just make it illegal and let others do their dirty work. Use it at a public range and someone will snitch. Use it or bump fire au natural on your own property and some anti gun neighbor will snitch. Get stopped by Olmos Park PD for speeding with one in your SUV and they'll arrest you and charge you with having a machine gun, and if the DA days it's legal under Texas law they'll call the US Attorney office about your machine gun.