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by WildRose
Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:03 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carry in Texas polling place? it depends
Replies: 26
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Re: Carry in Texas polling place? it depends

O.F.Fascist wrote: Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:16 am Its a move in the right direction, but there really needs to be a push to legalize at the very least concealed carry in polling places.

If the logic is that guns shouldn't be allowed in polling places because people will be intimated into not voting, then concealed carry should be fine. Those professors who sued to stop campus carry got their lawsuits thrown out, concealed carry while voting should be a similar case.
Anyone who is intimidated merely by the presence of a law abiding citizen going about their business while armed needs to seriously reevaluate their own world view.
by WildRose
Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:01 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carry in Texas polling place? it depends
Replies: 26
Views: 7037

Re: Carry in Texas polling place? it depends

thatguyoverthere wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:27 pm I'll admit, I'm conflicted about this. Living in a rural area, with little or no or delayed police response, I understand the situation that brought about this action. So I'm glad that SOMEone MAY be able to carry a firearm in a polling place in case the need ever arises. That's the good news.

On the other hand, there may or may not be an armed LTC worker at all polling places - it depends on whether the local election judge has an LTC or not, and if so, whether they choose to carry or not. Even if they do have an LTC, and even if they do choose to carry it in the polling place, and if something does happen, will he/she be willing to risk their life to save mine if necessary? After all, they are not sworn LEO, but just another LTC'er who also happens to be an election judge. Nothing against them - it's just that if I'm having to depend on an LTC'er to protect my life, I'd much rather that LTC'er be ME!

Also, I've looked over the referenced statutes, and I don't see anything close to saying that an election judge fits the description of an "active judicial official" as defined by the statute. I will concede that maybe the AG knows more about the law, but I do know how to read, and I just don't see it there. But apparently he does, so good for him.

But I guess my main beef is that here is yet one more carve out for "special" people, in this case allowing them to be able to carry a handgun in an area where a "regular," even licensed, person can not. And especially in this case, where the only thing "special" thing about the person with the "special" privileges is their political connection. Yes, that does twist my shorts. :mad5

JMHO. Feel free to change my mind for me!
As I read it, the election judge may carry on the premises with our without a permit. Anyone else would be required to be permitted.

Judges, DA's etc were carrying in courthouses and courtrooms throughout the history of the state prior to licensed carry. Even our local JP's could legally carry in the courthouse or else they were getting a free pass from the DPS and Sheriff for decades.

Maybe Charles or one of our other atty's better versed on the history can chime back in.
by WildRose
Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Carry in Texas polling place? it depends
Replies: 26
Views: 7037

Re: Carry in Texas polling place? it depends

ScottDLS wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:57 pm
stevie_d_64 wrote: Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:54 pm Well...Since you put it that way...

Lemme 'splain a few things to y'all in this forum...

Years ago I did ask this of the County Clerks office in Harris County, and the person giving the recertification of the Law Class wjich is required at each election cycle said this to mh question of our authority and how it relates to the protection and integrity of the election and the polling location...

Yes, we carry the same weight and authority of a State District Judge...But in regards to the actual function, all we are charged with is protectingnthe integrity of the election and its credible operation per election laws...

Our personal ability to carry a firearm within that polling location has always been prohibited, at least for me, because my polling location is in a elementary school withjng the boundaries of the Precinct I represent...

I never could get a straight answer from the County as they err'd on the side of "no"...And I did not feel like I needed to be, as you state, "test case"...

So this occurring long before Ken took office as AG, I had to adhere to the law, as schools are a "no go" zone...

So this is what I plan to do, since no one else here is a Presiding Election Judge, Inwill make a very rare personal call to my friend Charles Cotton, and see what he actually believes is the AG's intent here...

Prudence dictates you should not go blindly into this as the violation is too much to risk for others entertainment...

I shall post our findings soon, and if all goes well, this November, I will either conceal or betrer yet, open carry if its determined that I acting in that capacity as Judge, will carry my firearm...

Regards...
The AG opinion seems to address your situation along with the case law from Hook v. State. That's really about all you're going to get without being the proverbial "test case". You have previously asked the County Clerks office and got one answer and the AG seems to be saying something different, while also providing his legal reasoning. You can ask a private attorney (Mr. Cotton) or if you really want to know, you could show the AG opinion to your County Prosecutor and get his/her take. That would be the person prosecuting you, so probably the best place to start. If the DA says no, I wouldn't do it, because he/she could bring the charges, even if they ultimately lost.
This is one of those places where those who are anti gun/anti carry who are in positions of power can and will abuse their authority to bully people into submission.

I really appreciate the lengths the current Governor and Adminstration are going to in order to force the subordinate jurisdictions in the state to comply with the law and respect the rights of the citizens but as you say, being that "test case" can put you in a lot of legal jeopardy.

To remedy this we need more people to be pro active in addressing these things before someone becomes a test case, but that requires the kind of grass roots activism "reasonable conservatives" usually wish to avoid. It is by our very nature we tend to mind our own business and not be confrontation wherever possible but that's also how we've allowed many of our rights to be infringed to the point of no longer existing as rights, only as heavily regulated and restricted privileges for the "special class" of folks favored by the political elite.

I simply don't know an easy answer and don't believe one exists.

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