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by GrillKing
Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:03 pm
Forum: Goals for 2007
Topic: Penalties for illegal or improper signage...
Replies: 28
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KD5NRH wrote:I would have to disagree when it purports to state a nonexistent law, or claims falsely to have force of a law.
When it purports to state a nonexistant law or claims falsely to have the force of law, that is what makes it non-compliant.

Again, if we push the issue and 'force' either compliant signs or no signs, a LOT more places will be off limits. Let people post what they want, whether firerms related or not. Either they are enforceable by law or they are not...

In my opinion, pushing this is a bad strategy.
by GrillKing
Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:14 am
Forum: Goals for 2007
Topic: Penalties for illegal or improper signage...
Replies: 28
Views: 17588

KD5NRH wrote: So, it should be perfectly legal to post a "No Jews allowed by order of the Fire Marshal" sign, simply because it would be unenforceable? IMO, any sign that purports to give information about an issue of legality should be subject to certain standards of civil and criminal liability.

What would happen to someone who posted a sign that said "Under Federal law, murder is unconditionally permitted in this area," if someone else took it at its word?
The difference is that your scenarios have signs that advocate acts that are illegal. The non-compliant sign is simply that, non-compliant. It is not advocating an illegal act, but stating an opinion or desire in a way that is not binding. There is clear method in the law we have today that allows private entities to prohibit concealed carry on their property (they should be allowed to exercise that right, IMHO) if they choose to follow it. By not following it, they shouldn't be law breakers, they are simply choosing, deliberately or ignorantly, not to use a binding method to have their desires made enforecable.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like it when private entities use 30.06, but private property rights trump 2nd amendment in my opinion. If someone doesn't like my rules, they can stay off my property. I am not obligated to let people do whatever they want on my property. Although on my property, feel free to carry. :grin:

Public property is a different story. I own it, I have a right to carry....
by GrillKing
Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:12 pm
Forum: Goals for 2007
Topic: Penalties for illegal or improper signage...
Replies: 28
Views: 17588

Re: Penalties for illegal or improper signage...

stevie_d_64 wrote: Because if your going to dance, you should wear the right shoes...Otherwise you will get blisters...

We wear the right shoes...

(this is a horrible analogy, but I figure it may somewhat illustrate the parity between the CHL community and the other side of the coin)
I don't think we want to force them to 'wear the right shoes'. This will let the 'cat out of the bag' and the vast majority of signs that are non-compliant will be swapped out for signs that are compliant. The law clearly states the requirement for effective notice. If someone chooses to not give effective notice, either deliberately or because they choose not to investigate the legal requirements for what they do, why should we educate them?

They are still in the game, just not calling the best plays....
by GrillKing
Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:04 pm
Forum: Goals for 2007
Topic: Penalties for illegal or improper signage...
Replies: 28
Views: 17588

nitrogen wrote:Now i'm not sure about that.

I'd argue that their First Amendment rights allow to post what ever kind of sign they want.
I agree, post what you want, it is compliant and binding or not compliant and not binding, but not illegal. I see a lot of posts regarding 'illegal' signs. There is no such thing. They are non-binding signs.

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