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OlBill wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:21 pm Does he ever get an apology?

Sometimes he does. They’re really great videos. The Houston guy is really polite and calm. I think he’s doing less videos now because all the departments already know him.

Grundy1133 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:12 pm

rotor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:58 pm I don't agree with your premise that one must follow every order given by LEO as this can get you killed. LEO are not The Gestapo. There will be no going to a judge to argue your case if you are dead. There have been sexual assaults by LEO that never should be occurring. If a LEO, as in this case, breaks into your house as she did you are legally able to protect yourself and shoot before she shoots. Her uniform does not give her immunity. It may be a tough fight afterwards with the legal system but at least you are still alive. Is there any question that the victim in this case would have been legally correct if he killed the invading LEO?

Whether or not her uniform gives her immunity was never the question or issue. It was that IF she was telling him to do something like, get on the ground or something to the like, you do it. and afterward if you feel your rights have been violated you can then press charges. because the fact of the matter was she had a gun and he didnt. in my experience when you're unarmed, if you want to stay alive you do what the person with the gun says... HOWEVER if she DIDNT say anything but just pulled her gun and shot, then yes i think if he was armed, he would have been within his legal rights to fire on her before she fired on him. imagine the same scenario, only the LEO was just a avg citizen. the victim would have been within his legal rights in defending himself.

In the situation as described, if the victim was being told to get on the ground or put his hands up by an armed burglar, he would have been 100% justified in using deadly force (i.e. shooting her), whether she was dressed in a blue suit with a shiny pin, or a tattered hoodie and saggy pants. If you commit an illegal act like armed burglary at night you by definition lose your authority to issue a lawful order. The time to fight back is before you’re murdered by a home invader with a badge, not later so your family has to sue the city for wrongful death. While I’m usually not in agreement with race baiting slip and fall lawyers that seem to be attracted to these types of tragedies, in this case the DPD needs to take a hard look at their officers and training or lack thereof and will likely be saddling the Dallas taxpayers with a big settlement.

A Peace Officer deserves no authority above that granted by law. If they give an order that is clearly unlawful and you have the ability to safely resist or refuse to comply, then you should. On the other hand, it’s better to comply if the alternative is to be killed by a crooked cop.

I know most people on this forum probably won’t agree with me, but if you have a libertarian bent like me, you should check out some of the First Amendment “Audits” on youtube. There’s one guy in Houston who goes around filming always from a public sidewalk or right of way some places that are interesting and newsworthy....like federal courthouses, police stations, FBI offices, refineries, nuclear plants, etc. He never trespasses and only films what is visible from public. Then watch as he’s given unlawful orders to leave, stop filming, produce ID, explain himself, etc. Watch him politely refuse and stand on his lawful rights. I love the stuff. Actually about 50% of the time the police supervisors come, investigate,,and then inform the reporting parties that he is doing nothing wrong and leave. He then packs up his camera and leaves, his point being made. Other times he ends up getting harassed,detained, and occasionally (falsely) arrested for doing something that isn’t a crime. You’d think he’s some hippie ne’er do well or professional victim, but a actually think he’s an Army vet with a libertarian outlook.

If you see a cop in uniform fiddling with your door lock at night and you know it's your apartment....then you may be safer emptying a mag of .223 through the door, and asking questions later. While you may end up in jail, if you open the door you could end up dead.

Now on the other hand if a cop orders you to dance an Irish Jig, you had better start dancin'. Leave it to the judge to hear that you're Czech not, Irish, hence can only dance a Polka.