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by The Annoyed Man
Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:20 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: So it begins.
Replies: 25
Views: 1726

Re: So it begins.

TreyHouston wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
TreyHouston wrote:So let me ask. They make a pistol brace that can be sholdered and ATF considers this a legal pistol. So, what the heck is a SBR now????? :confused5

https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/sob/
An SBR is a short barreled rifle, not a pistol. SBR is its legal classification. You can't legally shoulder an AR pistol, even if the brace looks shoulderable. ATF is very clear on that. The braces are legal for sale, and they are legal for use as a brace on a pistol, but it is illegal to use such a brace as a buttstock to shoulder the weapon. ATF has been very clear also, that if caught shouldering a pistol with a brace, the pistol instantly becomes an unregistered SBR, and you do NOT want to be in possession of such a thing without the stamp for it. An ATF registered SBR is perfectly legal to shoulder, because it is legally a rifle....just one with a short barrel.

Totally arbitrary nonsense? Yes. But it is the law nonetheless.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/2017042 ... ing-braces

The new letter maintains the position that “the use of stabilizing braces, as designed, would not create a short-barreled rifle when attached to a firearm.”

But it then goes on to clarify that “an NFA firearm has not necessarily been made … even if the attached firearm happens to be fired from the shoulder.”
Well then, that's a recent change. Even so, if I'm going to be firing from the shoulder most of the time, I'd rather have a purpose designed buttstock. And on further reflection, it would appear that the change in definition is merely a matter of who is president at the time. If a democrat is elected in 2020, you safety bet that ATF will rescind that letter, and issue a new one restablishing the rules under Obama. It's a fickle definition. Until the NFA is struck down, at least an SBR's definition won't change. Yeah, it's a $200 stamp, and a wait for permission; but once it's done, it's done.
by The Annoyed Man
Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:16 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: So it begins.
Replies: 25
Views: 1726

Re: So it begins.

TreyHouston wrote:So let me ask. They make a pistol brace that can be sholdered and ATF considers this a legal pistol. So, what the heck is a SBR now????? :confused5

https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/sob/
An SBR is a short barreled rifle, not a pistol. SBR is its legal classification. You can't legally shoulder an AR pistol, even if the brace looks shoulderable. ATF is very clear on that. The braces are legal for sale, and they are legal for use as a brace on a pistol, but it is illegal to use such a brace as a buttstock to shoulder the weapon. ATF has been very clear also, that if caught shouldering a pistol with a brace, the pistol instantly becomes an unregistered SBR, and you do NOT want to be in possession of such a thing without the stamp for it. An ATF registered SBR is perfectly legal to shoulder, because it is legally a rifle....just one with a short barrel.

Totally arbitrary nonsense? Yes. But it is the law nonetheless.
by The Annoyed Man
Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:32 pm
Forum: Rifles & Shotguns
Topic: So it begins.
Replies: 25
Views: 1726

Re: So it begins.

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  • Spikes Tactical Gen II Billet Lower Kit with full ambidextrous controls
  • Matching Spikes Tactical Gen II Billet upper receiver assembly
  • Spikes Tactical carbine buffer assembly
  • Hogue Overmolded Pistol Grip w/ Beavertail
  • Rainier Arms Select medium contour 10.5" .300 Blk SS 5R match grade barrel
  • 3 lb single stage Timney competition trigger
  • Smith Enterprises Chrome M16 Match Bolt Carrier Assembly + Leitner-Wise NiB bolt, cam pin, and firing pin
  • BCM Gunfighter ambidextrous charging handle
  • 9" BCM KMR Alpha handguard
  • MFT Battlelink Minimalist stock
  • Aimpoint T2 Micro red dot sight w/ BOBRO mount
  • Troy Industries folding BUIS, with HK style front, and Blitzkrieg chevron front sight post, illuminated green, with tritium tip.
  • AAC 7.62 flash hider
  • AAC 762-SDN-6 suppressor
Do I like this SBR? Heck yes, I do. It's a gas to shoot - especially with subsonics, where it is quieter than a .22. But I've found that commercial ammo choices for the good stuff are either sparse, or really expensive. You can find cheap FMJ all day long. I have no regrets building it, but I probably wouldn't build another .300 Blk chambered weapon. My rationale for building it was wanting to be able to fire really quiet subsonics that would both cycle the bolt, and have some killing capacity, while also being able to mount a regular 5.56 upper to it, and use 5.56 magazines (clearly separated for .300 Blk use). I also have an almost identical carbine length 5.56 upper for it, with the exception of being gas-piston driven. With the 10.5" upper mounted and a full 30 round magazine of 208 grain subsonics, it is my primary home defense weapon. It may not have the sheer killing power of my shotgun, but it is lighter, shorter, handier, softer recoiling, and much MUCH quieter.

Although the supersonic .300 Blk loads are just fine for hog hunting, etc., I already own a couple of .308s which would be even better for that - including one that is also semiautomatic, carbine length, and not all that much heavier. It's not that supersonic .300 Blk won't kill a predator or nuisance animal, it's just that I think in the end, the effort to gain parity with 7.62x39mm ballistics out of the AR15 platform with a 7.62 diameter bullet is not as broadly useful a formula as one would think. It positively shines when fired suppressed with subsonics; but there are other calibers that can perform much better in the supersonic role.

Again, no regrets, and this one is a keeper. And I would never tell anyone not to buy/build a .300 Blk. It's a nice round. But if you want parity with 7.62x39 ballistics, just buy an AK or a Marlin, and be done with it. The only advantage that a .300 Blk AR has over those two is the versatility of functioning properly with both subsonics and supersonics. That's my 2¢, based on having owned one for a little while now. My advice, for what it is worth, would be to not spend as much as I did on components, and to use the savings to buy ammo. I'm into mine for a truly ridiculous amount of money because I wanted something truly special. IF I were to build another, I'd do it on the cheap. YMMV.

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