You’re probably right, in that the odds of actually needing to have protected yourself that way are fairly low. It’s not the odds though, it is the consequences if things go wrong.mrvmax wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:25 pmMy point really is that the need to protect oneself when buying and selling firearms to individuals is based on false information and I’m not sure where that comes from. Is it paranoia? Internet wives tales? I think people have an irrational fear of being held criminally liable for buying or selling a firearm used in a crime since I just don’t seem to find cases of this happening as it’s perceived. I could be way out in left field and just uninformed about it but I don’t recall reading about this happening and I spend a good portion of my life perusing numerous gun forums so I assume I would eventually run across an article on this happening. Now I could see this happening in other less gun friendly states but I just don’t see it happening in Texas as I see it portrayed in theoretical scenarios (I.e. I sold my gun to a stranger, it was used in a crime after I sold it so now I’m going to jail). Maybe Charles or someone more knowledgeable will correct me if my view is just from being misinformed. I think I’ve about exhausted my view on this so I’ll shut up now and see if anyone has some insight I have not seen before.The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:51 amWhat is even more sad is that we live in a prosecutorial environment where buyers/sellers even feel the need to protect themselves that way.mrvmax wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:50 pmAgreed, i can understand the reluctance to sell or buy from a stranger but it’s so ironic that people who do not want 2A rights restricted by our government often restrict 2A rights beyond what the law requires when selling to individuals.carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”
If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.
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- Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:28 pm
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- Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:51 am
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Re: Selling to a non LTC holder
And I get why it is ironic, but I think it would be more accurate to say that the person who is requiring the bill of sale, or to see the other’s ID or LTC, is simply trying to protect themselves more than they are trying to restrict the other person’s rights. What is even more sad is that we live in a prosecutorial environment where buyers/sellers even feel the need to protect themselves that way. If there were not already so many restrictions on firearms ownership and transfers, private buyers/sellers might not feel so compelled to take such actions.mrvmax wrote: ↑Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:50 pmAgreed, i can understand the reluctance to sell or buy from a stranger but it’s so ironic that people who do not want 2A rights restricted by our government often restrict 2A rights beyond what the law requires when selling to individuals.carlson1 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:58 pm You can sale to any person who is a Texas resident and as far as you know is not a felon. There is no law that puts you under any obligation to run a background or “check papers.”
If you want to go the second mile take them to a FFL and do a transfer. Short of that anything else is useless.
For my own part, I have done it both ways. I’ve had people volunteer to show me their LTC/CHL, and/or provide/ask for a bill of sale. When transacting with someone on this forum, I generally don’t worry about the sale.