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Paladin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:23 am

The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:03 am Also, he didn’t just video-record himself during the event. I’ve read more than one report saying that he was also recording other people's reactions to what he was doing. In other words, he was getting his jollies from his little stunt. That pretty much makes his terrorizing look pretty intentional.

I'd say its safe to say that it was intentional. And, like the Ohio shooting was probably carried out by a anti-2nd Amendment radical with association to ANTIFA and socialism.

The fact that these things are happening in such a rapid fashion implies coordination to "start anarchy"

It may well be the case. It’s hard for me to say with any certainty that the multiple shootings or stunts like this guy's are a coordinated conspiracy, or merely copycat crimes. But given both the facts that it’s not impossible, and the fact that well placed elites on both sides of the aisle seem to be above the law and persecution, it’s certainly not hard to believe that it’s possible.

Syntyr wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:50 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:30 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:16 pm https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9685741/w ... n-el-paso/

Being refered to as a gun nut.

It still doesn't mention his real intentions.

And there is the problem. Technically he did nothing wrong except maybe if the da wants to charge him with disturbing the peace or something similar. It’s a fine line between stupidity and criminality. I am REALLY surprised the guy didn’t wind up ventilated! If he had been I wouldn’t have lost sleep over societies loss to the greater good. Certainly not helping calm the situation any.

As to the question up post I am 99.9 percent sure I would have ran and gotten me and my family out of there.

Slung on his back would have been FAR better. Slung on the front, muzzle down, makes the rifle that much quicker to get into action. That’s why soldiers sling them that way when anticipating possible contact with an enemy. So it is a more aggressive posture than slung behind. And technically, he DID commit a violation under Missouri law by terrifying 10 or more people. I can understand, although I’m not sure I’d believe, the argument that it wasn’t his intent to terrify anyone. I suspicion that, just as with Texas law, the controlling factor isn’t the suspects's intent, it’s the reactions of observers....over which the suspect has no control.

Also, he didn’t just video-record himself during the event. I’ve read more than one report saying that he was also recording other people's reactions to what he was doing. In other words, he was getting his jollies from his little stunt. That pretty much makes his terrorizing look pretty intentional.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:34 pm

gtolbert09 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:17 pm “A firefighter held him at gunpoint”. Springfield has armed firefighters?

I just assumed the firefighter had a concealed carry permit.

He was off duty.

Tex1961 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:17 am So, I have to ask for conversation sake. You’re there, you see this jack wagon. What would you have done. Before you answer, think on it for a few minutes. Really dig and decide truly what you would have done.

Was he an immediate threat...
Was he just exercising his constitutional rights
You may only have minutes to act
Your family might have been there with you.

I would have gotten myself, and my family if they’re with me, the heck out of there. Answering your questions in order:

1. potentially, yes.
2. yes, but in an inappropriate context.
3. get the heck out.
4. get all of us out.

Bottom line....it’s your right to walk around with an AR, wearing a tactical vest stuffed with spare mags. But unless you really need a long gun at that moment, it’s a really REALLY stupid idea. Context is everything in social interactions, and going to the market is a form of social interaction. When you laugh at what a friend is telling you, are you laughing because he just told you a funny joke, or are you laughing because he told you that his mother just died? Laughing in both instances—a seemingly harmless expression—but the context makes your laughter into two diametrically opposed things.....mirthful fellowship on one hand, and vicious cruelty on the other hand. Context is EVERYTHING, and one has to be autistic to not know this and to act accordingly. The word we use to describe something that is contextually correct is "appropriateness". What this fool did was absolutely inappropriate. And by the way, this guy's AR was slung to the front of his body. (It’s an AR pistol.)



You want to open carry? Fine, go ahead. It’s your right. I open carry sometimes. So do most cops, most of the time, and nobody blinks an eye....except for the occasional precious snowflake at Starbucks. But a holstered pistol is one thing. If you see the cop carrying his pistol in his hand, it means another thing entirely. But if you see a cop all tacticaled up and carrying an AR on front of his body—slung or not—you have to have water on the brain not to realize that there is a threat present, and to not get yourself out of harm's way.

This bonehead drives up to a Walmart, just days after a mass shooting at another Walmart, jocks up and enters the store, and then exhibits behavior that qualifies as bizarre. You’d have to be brain dead not to see him as at least a potential threat. We are always at risk of forgetting that our LTC is not a Batman license, and there is a fine line between defending one's self, loved ones, or innocent third parties, and unjustifiable homicide. You have to ask yourself, what would a cop do in this situation, but even then, you might not have the same "Good Samaritan" protections under the law that a cop has. (Yes, I know, the Good Samaritan laws are for a different context, but bear with me as I use it for an analog.)

Here’s what I would do....

1. remove myself/loved ones from danger.
2. call 911 while evading/escaping.
3. be a good witness in so far as I can do so without exposing myself unnecessarily.
4. LAST RESORT, draw my gun if we're unable to escape further and he shoulders the rifle, and light him up if he aims it at me or mine.

And all of that depends on my keeping my wits about me in the moment. I’ve been shot at once by someone who didn’t know I was there, but I’ve never been in combat or an active shooter situation. So literally EVERYTHING in that list is purely speculation. The primary value of it is to get/keep me thinking about possible courses of action, and maintaining situational awareness.

Drives up, dons tactical vest, guns up with 3+ magazines (>100 rounds), enters the Walmart, and starts VIDEO RECORDING HIMSELF walking around the store, scaring the poo out of everyone ..... just DAYS after someone else did the same thing at another Walmart and killed 22 people. Just what did he think was going to happen?

He’s developmentally disabled, and he’s harming the cause. Either that, or he’s a leftist trying to make some obscure point about guns in America, in which case he’s still developmentally disabled. And that’s being unfair to the developmentally disabled, who tend to be smarter than that.