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by Charles L. Cotton
Fri May 24, 2013 10:08 am
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar today
Replies: 64
Views: 10088

Re: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar t

Russell wrote:So does that mean in order to get some of the other bills passed, we just need to tell the legislators it's okay to add extras in for themselves? Free scholarship for campus carry? Yearly supply of ammo for open carry?
Didn't work too well this session.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri May 24, 2013 10:08 am
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar today
Replies: 64
Views: 10088

Re: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar t

baldeagle wrote:At least we know who will sponsor a bill in the House and in the Senate for next session. And we have the ammo to make it stick. So there's some value there even though it won't happen this session.
Springer filed HB3218 this session and I'm sure he'll file it again in 2015, if he's reelected. He's a freshman and the only person who would take it on. I suspect I know who the Senate "author" will be, but only time will tell.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Fri May 24, 2013 9:59 am
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar today
Replies: 64
Views: 10088

Re: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar t

RHenriksen wrote:From what I understand of Charles' recent posts on the matter, modifying the bill to include all citizens isn't an available option by the rules they work under. But I'd love to be proven wrong!
While it could be added, it would face a point-of-order just like the one that was asserted in the House. However, based upon the heated debate on the floor yesterday, it would stand a better chance now, but we still have Lon Burnam and other rabid anit-gunners who could and I believe would assert a point-of-order against any pro-gun amendment.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue May 21, 2013 5:01 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar today
Replies: 64
Views: 10088

Re: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar t

TrueFlog wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
TrueFlog wrote:So does this have to go back to the House for them to approve the amendment? Or does it go straight to the Gov.?

Also, regarding the vote on the amendment, you can view it at http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... Bill=HB508" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Currently, the site has not been updated with the details of the vote, but once it has, you can see who voted and how.
It goes back to the House where it will either concur in the Senate amendment(s) or not. If not, a conference committee can be established to see if an agreement can be reached. If a committee agreement is reached, the agreement will be put to an up or down vote in the Senate and House. No amendments can be made during this up or down vote.

Chas.
Any chance the conference committee can agree to expand the amendment to cover all CHL'ers - not just elected officials?
No, it cannot be done.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue May 21, 2013 2:02 pm
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar today
Replies: 64
Views: 10088

Re: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar t

TrueFlog wrote:So does this have to go back to the House for them to approve the amendment? Or does it go straight to the Gov.?

Also, regarding the vote on the amendment, you can view it at http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... Bill=HB508" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Currently, the site has not been updated with the details of the vote, but once it has, you can see who voted and how.
It goes back to the House where it will either concur in the Senate amendment(s) or not. If not, a conference committee can be established to see if an agreement can be reached. If a committee agreement is reached, the agreement will be put to an up or down vote in the Senate and House. No amendments can be made during this up or down vote.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue May 21, 2013 10:07 am
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar today
Replies: 64
Views: 10088

Re: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar t

mojo84 wrote:Thank you. It's still frustrating that what I consider a bad or unnecessary amendment can be added to an otherwise worthy bill. I would like to see it stand on its own just as the original bill does and go through the committee process. This may be impractical but I think it should have to go through the process in order to avoid the extraneous pork and mud that gets added using amendments.
The House couldn't have put this amendment on that bill without drawing a point-of-order that would have been sustained. The Senate rarely if every calls a point-of-order.

Chas.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue May 21, 2013 9:43 am
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar today
Replies: 64
Views: 10088

Re: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar t

Floor amendments are offered by only one Senator or Representative, then the body debates it and votes. If there is no objection to the amendment, then there is no debate or vote; it is adopted by acclamation.

Chas.
mojo84 wrote:
baldeagle wrote:
mojo84 wrote:I wish amendments were not allowed without a separate vote for the amendment on a standalone basis.
Amendments ARE voted on separately.
So, the amendment was added to the bill via a vote of the house or senate? If so, who voted to add the amendment to the bill in order to give certain people the right to carry where others are not allowed?

baldeagle
Senator Carona "amended" the bill by attaching a different bill to it. It passed, so now it becomes law, including the amendment, which grants elected officials special privileges they're not willing to give us. Since he's my Senator, he will definitely be hearing from me as soon as I have all the facts.
Your comment hear makes it sound like the amendment was added by one Senator and not that the house or senate voted to add the amendment to the bill. Help me understand.
by Charles L. Cotton
Tue May 21, 2013 9:39 am
Forum: 2013 Texas Legislative Session
Topic: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar today
Replies: 64
Views: 10088

Re: HB 508, HB 928, HB 972, HB 1349 on the Senate Calendar t

21 votes are necessary to bring a bill to the floor of the Senate for debate. Then, only a simple majority is needed to pass. Some things are necessary to get 21 votes, so don't be too quick to condemn. While I applaud Sen. Birdwell's philosophical position, a vote against HB508 is a vote to allow cities and other units of local government to coerce, extort, intimidate and in some cases unlawfully arrest law-abiding CHLs. This must stop!

This special treatment of Senators and Representatives will be a very strong issue arguing for another HB3218-like bill in 2015. Don't get me wrong, I don't like it one bit, but we live in a political world and when one must accept distasteful amendments, you use them to your benefit next session.

Chas.

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