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mojo84 wrote:Charles,
One of the claims I continue to see CJ and his followers make is that open carry wasn't on any rep's or senator's radar until OCT started doing their demonstrations and promotion of the issue. I think it would be good for you and/or the Alice to address this claim.

Thanks,
Mojo84

Yeah, I've seen that claim multiple times. Open-carry was on the political radar long before Grisham started OCT on July 9, 2013. The radar blip was overwhelmingly negative in Austin because of the tactics of LSCDL and others, but the terrible image was limited to legislators. The NRA and TSRA started working on open-carry toward the end of the 2013 Texas Legislative Session, before OCT was even created. When OCT came onto the scene, the negative view of open-carry was spread beyond the legislature and into the public eye. This is yet another false claim by Grisham.

Grisham thinks the because he and his groups got air time on TV and radio, that means they had a positive impact on the open-carry issue. Nothing could be further from the truth. Look at the House Member and Senator OCT claim to be their champions -- how did they perform for you CJ?

BTW, Grisham has not been banned here on the Forum; he could respond, but he chooses not to do so. Contrast this to his deleting posts from the OCT Facebook page when they challenge his throne.

Here is a link to an article I wrote setting out the history of the open-carry movement in Texas: https://www.texasfirearmscoalition.com/ ... s-in-texas" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chas.

As I said in my original post, I never thought Grisham would have the courage to put his views and tactics before Texas gun owners in an open forum. That said, he continuously condemns the NRA, TSRA and me claiming that our methods are outdated and ineffective, and that he and OCT are the way to do things in the future. If he truly believed that, then one would expect him to be willing to participate in a debate/town hall meeting so people would ask questions of both of us and get unfiltered answers. His refusal to participate speaks columns. He knows that gun owners are going to ask him questions that he either cannot or will not answer. His lies about the NRA, TSRA himself and OCT will be exposed to a much broader audience and he cannot risk that.

I'm sure some wonder why I'm doing this and the answer is simple; Texas gun owners need to look past the passionate rhetoric, the fire and brimstone speeches, to see OCT did not pass anything this session. Everything they promoted died and they had nothing to do with HB910, campus-carry (if it passes), SB273, or any other pro-gun bills. OCT testified on various gun bills for two reasons, 1) to get their name in the public's eye; and 2) to falsely claim they passed pro-gun bills. All this in spite of their cries not to pass licensed open-carry! He even tried to gut anti-gun deals with anti-gun Rep. Pancho Nevarez. Fortunately for Texas gun owners, he has absolutely no political power to cut deals with anyone. Texas gun owners must not be deceived into believing the OCT in-your-face, throw-them-all-out, tactics are effective at passing legislation and blocking anti-gun bills.

I wish I had a close up video of Grisham sitting in the House gallery when the concurrence vote on HB910 went down in flames. He was visibly shocked; he had no clue of the groundswell against the Huffines Amendment. So much for being on top of things; so much for being "connected."

Chas.

SewTexas wrote:I'd be interested in hearing more details. I hit yes.

Apparently there won't be any more details since CJ has already posted on his closed Facebook page that he won't participate in a debate/town hall meeting.

Chas.

longhorn86 wrote:CJ has started spewing his excuses for not excepting the challenge...

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NRA board member Charles Cotton doesn't want to debate Moms Demand Action, Coalition To Stop Gun Violence, Gabby Giffords, Michael Bloomberg, Everytown for Gun Safety, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Art Acevedo, Poncho Nevarez, or anyone else in the gun control astroturf crowd trying to strip our rights from us. He wants to debate ME. Speaks volumes about what has happened to that once great organization and a perfect example of why I'm so disillusioned with them.

CJ, I've debated countless anti-gunner over the last 35 years, but that's not the issue. What are you afraid of? Let's let Texas gun owners see what each of us truly stand for.

Chas.

I just posted the invitation on my Facebook account. Feel free to share it. Let's see if CJ will participate.

Chas.

I just tweeted my invitation; let's see if Grisham has the courage to say no, or simply run and hide.

Chas.

nightmare69 wrote:Could the invite be posted on OCT and his personal Facebook page so others see it?

Fine with me. He's talking trash about me on Twitter, so I'm told. He's not about to accept the invitation; he needs his echo chamber and the ability to ban posting by anyone who doesn't agree with his absurd positions.

Chas.

TVGuy wrote:Heard from Grisham yet?

No, and I'm truly hurt.

Chas.

steveincowtown wrote:Nope. No need to show the world a house divided.

This is meant with respect Charles, so please take it a such, but why in the world would you want to elevate any of them to your level or stoop down to theirs?


Hopefully next leg cycle everyone can either:

(A) Work together.

or

(B) Not trip over each other.

My purpose in proposing this is to let Texas gun owners who are involved see why the NRA and TSRA do things and to contrast that with the destructive tactics of Grisham and OCT. People need to flee from those two and work with organizations that get bills passed.

I want to show the world that the vast majority of Texas gun owners are not remotely like Grisham and his leadership. I also believe that most of OCT's current "members" will see the light and get on board with experienced and productive gun groups, if they are allowed to hear why things were done as they were. The only thing they see or hear is the filtered propaganda Grisham wants them to hear.

Chas.

I suspect I know what Mr. Grisham's response will be, but I propose a combination debate and town hall meeting between C.J. Grisham and myself, sometime this summer. If he accepts, I know a great location that seats 200 people and serves excellent food. Tickets would cover the cost of the event, with no profit to me or Mr. Grisham. The fee would have to be around $27 to cover the mean and rental of the event center. It could be structured such that Mr. Grisham and I each have 100 tickets available so the deck would not be stacked by either of our camps. We may even be able to broadcast it live.

How about it CJ? Are you interested in letting Texas gun owners ask us both questions and get unfiltered answers?

I'm making this a poll just to judge the level of interest.

Chas.