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K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:41 am

Oldgringo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:19 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:16 am

Oldgringo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:25 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Oldgringo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:15 pm Given today's state of the country, BLM bull, and the vicious anarchist left-wing dipocrap attacks on the POPO, I think I would have smilingly shown him both and asked him how I could help him......even if he was acting an arrogant ass.

We either Back the Blue or we don't? They have enough problems/issues with the others without our law quoting petulant demand for their correctness.

Sir, that statement is far too simplistic. I am neither pro nor anti police. I see the police as requirement to have a large, complex, functional society. I would like them to be primarily dedicated to keeping the peace, however, focused on stopping those who breach the peace, especially those who breach the peace in violent fashion. I think the development of police into "law-enforcement officers", enforcing every tiny statute whether well-written and clear or not, is at the root of some of the issues today. I fully understand the "rule of law", but without some discretion, things can devolve rapidly. The gray area involving when you need to show your ID to the police is a great example. It should be blatantly obvious to the "reasonable person" the courts always talk about as to when someone must show ID to the police, but it's not, and this discussion is proof of that. Now, do I cooperate with the police if I am pulled over by them? Why yes, I certainly do. I cooperate for many reasons, such as being taught manners as a child, and also being polite to those who have positional authority which I learned in the USAF. I understand that the police deal with a lot of folks that most of us would consider "dirtbags", and that gives a lot of police a naturally suspicious outlook, and often negative outlook, as well. However, obviously not everyone is a criminal, nor doing criminal things, and they shouldn't be treated as such, either.

Your point is?

My point is that your statement makes it an either/or situation, which is the same thing the political left has done, but in reverse.

Horsefeathers! Why try to start an unnecessay confrontatation with a person who is doing their job? BTW, I voted for Barry Goldwater in my first Potus election. You?

Nowhere in my reply did I state that I would be uncooperative with the police. In fact, I stated just the opposite, that I DO cooperate with the police. Past that, I will not debate you on the merits of your age vs mine. Suffice it to say that I'm not as old as you are, but I did 20 years in the USAF, and retired from that "career" over 10 years ago.

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:16 am

Oldgringo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:25 pm

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Oldgringo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:15 pm Given today's state of the country, BLM bull, and the vicious anarchist left-wing dipocrap attacks on the POPO, I think I would have smilingly shown him both and asked him how I could help him......even if he was acting an arrogant ass.

We either Back the Blue or we don't? They have enough problems/issues with the others without our law quoting petulant demand for their correctness.

Sir, that statement is far too simplistic. I am neither pro nor anti police. I see the police as requirement to have a large, complex, functional society. I would like them to be primarily dedicated to keeping the peace, however, focused on stopping those who breach the peace, especially those who breach the peace in violent fashion. I think the development of police into "law-enforcement officers", enforcing every tiny statute whether well-written and clear or not, is at the root of some of the issues today. I fully understand the "rule of law", but without some discretion, things can devolve rapidly. The gray area involving when you need to show your ID to the police is a great example. It should be blatantly obvious to the "reasonable person" the courts always talk about as to when someone must show ID to the police, but it's not, and this discussion is proof of that. Now, do I cooperate with the police if I am pulled over by them? Why yes, I certainly do. I cooperate for many reasons, such as being taught manners as a child, and also being polite to those who have positional authority which I learned in the USAF. I understand that the police deal with a lot of folks that most of us would consider "dirtbags", and that gives a lot of police a naturally suspicious outlook, and often negative outlook, as well. However, obviously not everyone is a criminal, nor doing criminal things, and they shouldn't be treated as such, either.

Your point is?

My point is that your statement makes it an either/or situation, which is the same thing the political left has done, but in reverse.

bagman45 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:24 pm I've only been pulled over once in the many years I've had my CHL/LTC, for a tail light out. Handed the LEO license and LTC, he asked if I was carrying, told him I was. He said "good, if you can, you should". He handed me back my LTC, ran my license, then gave it back to me. Just told me to fix the light as soon as possible; no warning ticket, no nothing. Then we chatted about what we were carrying for a few minutes, he thanked me for my cooperation and we both went on our way.

I'll do the same any time I have interactions with a LEO, it's just easier and a common courtesy. Just my way of thinking......

K.Mooneyham wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Oldgringo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:15 pm Given today's state of the country, BLM bull, and the vicious anarchist left-wing dipocrap attacks on the POPO, I think I would have smilingly shown him both and asked him how I could help him......even if he was acting an arrogant ass.

We either Back the Blue or we don't? They have enough problems/issues with the others without our law quoting petulant demand for their correctness.

Sir, that statement is far too simplistic. I am neither pro nor anti police. I see the police as requirement to have a large, complex, functional society. I would like them to be primarily dedicated to keeping the peace, however, focused on stopping those who breach the peace, especially those who breach the peace in violent fashion. I think the development of police into "law-enforcement officers", enforcing every tiny statute whether well-written and clear or not, is at the root of some of the issues today. I fully understand the "rule of law", but without some discretion, things can devolve rapidly. The gray area involving when you need to show your ID to the police is a great example. It should be blatantly obvious to the "reasonable person" the courts always talk about as to when someone must show ID to the police, but it's not, and this discussion is proof of that. Now, do I cooperate with the police if I am pulled over by them? Why yes, I certainly do. I cooperate for many reasons, such as being taught manners as a child, and also being polite to those who have positional authority which I learned in the USAF. I understand that the police deal with a lot of folks that most of us would consider "dirtbags", and that gives a lot of police a naturally suspicious outlook, and often negative outlook, as well. However, obviously not everyone is a criminal, nor doing criminal things, and they shouldn't be treated as such, either.