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by fickman
Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:07 pm
Forum: Federal
Topic: McCarthy files H.R.141, requiring background check on all gu
Replies: 20
Views: 1886

Re: McCarthy files H.R.141, requiring background check on al

G26ster wrote:[You certainly have the right not to invite anyone you choose into your home, and I'm not disputing that, but isn't your statement based on the same logic the anti's use when they state their fear of us carrying in public, that we might go nuts and shoot them?
Not really. . .

- I can't verify you're a CHL until you're in my house. By then, you already know my address and at least one gun that I own.

- Some people are not welcome in my house and it has nothing to do with a fear that they might go bananas. I also have a wife and four kids that live here as well, so revenuers, dock workers, sailors, Amway salesmen, lawyers, politicians, and Arminians rarely make it past the threshold! (Just kidding on this list, but you get the drift.) "rlol"
by fickman
Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:31 pm
Forum: Federal
Topic: McCarthy files H.R.141, requiring background check on all gu
Replies: 20
Views: 1886

Re: McCarthy files H.R.141, requiring background check on al

terryg wrote:With checks of the wording to ensure private sales are indeed exempt, I would not have a problem with this.
. . .
What am I missing?
RoyGBiv wrote:Paperwork = Forms = Database = Privacy Concerns = de-facto Registration
:iagree:

It's a slippery slope. I like to use reductio ad absurdum to test these ideas and see how they could backfire.

I could meet somebody that owns 50 guns and I'm planning to buy two of them. Does that meet the criteria? I wasn't going to buy all 50, but I guess they're technically for sale - isn't almost everything for the right price?

Do I have to prove that I bought a gun at a residence? How? What if I'm accused of getting it in the parking lot at a gun show?

What about an even trade at a gun show?

What if neither of us has a booth and we're just walking around with shotguns with a "for sale" flag in them? Is that illegal? Only if money changes hands? Can we trade there? Agree to transact later?

Why isn't my car - which is an extension of my home for self defense purposes - adequate? Could I use a motorhome to complete the sale? A tent? A sedan with a sleeping bag and pillow in the backseat?

Two employees of a gun store can't trade guns or sell them to each other at work (before, during, or after the shift)?

I also think there's a middle ground between complete strangers and "welcome you into my house" comfortable. I might sell to a stranger with a CHL. Or an active, long storied poster on here that others seem to know. I wouldn't necessarily invite that person into my house, though.

If I was inclined to compromise, which I'm not, I could potentially hold my nose and swallow a cleaned-up version of this to help our side.

I echo the aforementioned litmus test: what crime would this have stopped? Is this the problem out there? It could become the problem if NICS was fixed with the mental health info, but that hasn't happened yet.
by fickman
Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:08 pm
Forum: Federal
Topic: McCarthy files H.R.141, requiring background check on all gu
Replies: 20
Views: 1886

Re: McCarthy files H.R.141, requiring background check on al

I'm not supporting this, but it is interesting. If you close the "gun show loophole" so narrowly that it only applies to gun shows, the talking heads will lose a major talking points. The Bloomberg's of the world will hate it because it'll be harder to go after private sales.

I'd want the "residence" requirement changed. I could still walk around a gun show with a private gun for sale and just give out my phone number to interested parties.

Still, thanks but no thanks. I don't think this solves anyyhing or prevents any crimes.

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