Ya'll must have posted at the same time. See Mr. Cotton's post above.K5GU wrote:I've read it a couple of times and can't find anywhere in the bill that says a permit is required to legally purchase a firearm, so I'm not sure about the intent of Senator Hall. Maybe Charles has some knowledge regarding this and has a post forthcoming related to SB 718.jmra wrote:I think that anyone who supports such a bill either hasn't read the constitution, has read it but doesn't understand it, or has read it and understands it but are intentionally trying to undermine it.K5GU wrote:So what do you all think about SB 718?
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- Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:36 pm
- Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
- Topic: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
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- Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:32 pm
- Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
- Topic: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
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I read it as a requirement for purchasing a firearm. I'm glad that was not the intention.Charles L. Cotton wrote:This bill will not pass. Ironically, it was filed because of constituents who want to bypass the NICS checks without getting a CHL. That's the goal of the bill. Unfortunately, it will be used as a vehicle in the future to require everyone to get such a permit to buy a firearm, must like the FOID card is required in Illinois.
Intentions were good, but the bill is a problem.
Chas.
- Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:22 pm
- Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
- Topic: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
- Replies: 43
- Views: 5429
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I think that anyone who supports such a bill either hasn't read the constitution, has read it but doesn't understand it, or has read it and understands it but are intentionally trying to undermine it.K5GU wrote:So what do you all think about SB 718?
- Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:33 pm
- Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
- Topic: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
- Replies: 43
- Views: 5429
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Unfortunately it's not a laughing matter.K5GU wrote:K5GU wrote:anygunanywhere wrote:Papers! Let me see your papers, subject!K5GU wrote:Maybe I'm dumber than I should be and with all due respect, what other method could there be to determine if we are law-abiding citizens? This of course is in the context of a legitimate purchase from a federally regulated FFL, which is in place today.jmra wrote:Of course I don't believe that law abiding citizens should have to undergo background checks. Why should I?K5GU wrote:Okay. So you don't believe there should be a background check when you purchase and then carry a handgun?Pawpaw wrote:Bull! Making things more and more inconvenient for law abiding citizens has never worked and never will. Making me go through a background check will have exactly zero effect on a criminal getting a gun. It won't even slow him down, but he might laugh as more and more money is wasted on such stupid efforts.K5GU wrote:Right. I don't think we need registration, which can develop into an expensive and mismanaged administrative nightmare. But I do think the purchase of any firearm or lethal weapon needs at least a criminal background check. I would also like to see more (enhanced) firearm management education for firearm owners to attempt to lower the chance of accidental discharges, but I guess that's for another thread?
- Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:30 pm
- Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
- Topic: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
- Replies: 43
- Views: 5429
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We shouldn't have to. That's the point. The requirement shouldn't exist.K5GU wrote:Your post came after my last edit/quote. But educate me please. How is it determined by an FFL or anyone else, that we are law abiding if there's not some recorded data somewhere??jmra wrote:We are innocent until proven guilty. We as law abiding citizens shouldn't have to prove anything in order to exercise our God given right.K5GU wrote:Maybe I'm dumber than I should be and with all due respect, what other method could there be to determine if we are law-abiding citizens?jmra wrote:Of course I don't believe that law abiding citizens should have to undergo background checks. Why should I?K5GU wrote:Okay. So you don't believe there should be a background check when you purchase and then carry a handgun?Pawpaw wrote:Bull! Making things more and more inconvenient for law abiding citizens has never worked and never will. Making me go through a background check will have exactly zero effect on a criminal getting a gun. It won't even slow him down, but he might laugh as more and more money is wasted on such stupid efforts.K5GU wrote:Right. I don't think we need registration, which can develop into an expensive and mismanaged administrative nightmare. But I do think the purchase of any firearm or lethal weapon needs at least a criminal background check. I would also like to see more (enhanced) firearm management education for firearm owners to attempt to lower the chance of accidental discharges, but I guess that's for another thread?
- Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:24 pm
- Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
- Topic: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
- Replies: 43
- Views: 5429
Re: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
We are innocent until proven guilty. We as law abiding citizens shouldn't have to prove anything in order to exercise our God given right.K5GU wrote:Maybe I'm dumber than I should be and with all due respect, what other method could there be to determine if we are law-abiding citizens?jmra wrote:Of course I don't believe that law abiding citizens should have to undergo background checks. Why should I?K5GU wrote:Okay. So you don't believe there should be a background check when you purchase and then carry a handgun?Pawpaw wrote:Bull! Making things more and more inconvenient for law abiding citizens has never worked and never will. Making me go through a background check will have exactly zero effect on a criminal getting a gun. It won't even slow him down, but he might laugh as more and more money is wasted on such stupid efforts.K5GU wrote:Right. I don't think we need registration, which can develop into an expensive and mismanaged administrative nightmare. But I do think the purchase of any firearm or lethal weapon needs at least a criminal background check. I would also like to see more (enhanced) firearm management education for firearm owners to attempt to lower the chance of accidental discharges, but I guess that's for another thread?
As for criminals carrying guns, when they are caught they should be removed from society for a very long time instead of being back on the street in a few months if that long.
- Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:42 pm
- Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
- Topic: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
- Replies: 43
- Views: 5429
Re: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
Of course I don't believe that law abiding citizens should have to undergo background checks. Why should I?K5GU wrote:Okay. So you don't believe there should be a background check when you purchase and then carry a handgun?Pawpaw wrote:Bull! Making things more and more inconvenient for law abiding citizens has never worked and never will. Making me go through a background check will have exactly zero effect on a criminal getting a gun. It won't even slow him down, but he might laugh as more and more money is wasted on such stupid efforts.K5GU wrote:Right. I don't think we need registration, which can develop into an expensive and mismanaged administrative nightmare. But I do think the purchase of any firearm or lethal weapon needs at least a criminal background check. I would also like to see more (enhanced) firearm management education for firearm owners to attempt to lower the chance of accidental discharges, but I guess that's for another thread?
- Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:34 pm
- Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
- Topic: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
- Replies: 43
- Views: 5429
Re: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
Pawpaw wrote:Bull! Making things more and more inconvenient for law abiding citizens has never worked and never will. Making me go through a background check will have exactly zero effect on a criminal getting a gun. It won't even slow him down, but he might laugh as more and more money is wasted on such stupid efforts.K5GU wrote:Right. I don't think we need registration, which can develop into an expensive and mismanaged administrative nightmare. But I do think the purchase of any firearm or lethal weapon needs at least a criminal background check. I would also like to see more (enhanced) firearm management education for firearm owners to attempt to lower the chance of accidental discharges, but I guess that's for another thread?
Background checks only affect the actions of law abiding citizens.
- Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:25 pm
- Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
- Topic: SB 718 Introduced. Relating to firearm purchase permit.
- Replies: 43
- Views: 5429
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What a total waste of time and effort.