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by jmra
Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:14 am
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: Police, lawyers decry 'unknowns' of open carry law
Replies: 43
Views: 7160

Re: Police, lawyers decry 'unknowns' of open carry law

Jumping Frog wrote:
E.Marquez wrote:Every time I read one of these stories or a post that mentioned them I keep thinking.. What changed?
On the last day of one month the safest, most law abiding demographic in Texas have a legally obtained carried on the inside of a lightweight summer shirt. the next day, that shirt will be tucked in.. SAME most law abiding demographic in Texas.. same gun, heck for me it will be the same holster as I mostly carry OWB now.

How does shirt tucked in vs not tucked in change the danger to police? to the average Texan?
(Yes I know, it does not, and most here understand that...)
Good point.

Here I am carrying three different ways. Which one creates the most danger to the public?

[ Image ]

By the way, the left picture where my shirt is bloused over the handgun was my favorite way of carrying. Still discreet, but WAY WAY WAY faster to draw compared to having to rip the tucked-in shirttail out of the way on the fully concealed right picture.
I think most people would be totally oblivious to either one of the "OC" methods displayed in the photo. If I were to chose to OC it would look something like that. I hope people don't use OC as a tool to draw attention to themselves. Doing so can not help the cause.
by jmra
Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:15 am
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: Police, lawyers decry 'unknowns' of open carry law
Replies: 43
Views: 7160

Re: Police, lawyers decry 'unknowns' of open carry law

E.Marquez wrote:Every time I read one of these stories or a post that mentioned them I keep thinking.. What changed?
On the last day of one month the safest, most law abiding demographic in Texas have a legally obtained carried on the inside of a lightweight summer shirt. the next day, that shirt will be tucked in.. SAME most law abiding demographic in Texas.. same gun, heck for me it will be the same holster as I mostly carry OWB now.

How does shirt tucked in vs not tucked in change the danger to police? to the average Texan?
(Yes I know, it does not, and most here understand that...)
Maybe it's more of a "what people don't know won't hurt them" mentality.
by jmra
Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:10 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: Police, lawyers decry 'unknowns' of open carry law
Replies: 43
Views: 7160

Re: Police, lawyers decry 'unknowns' of open carry law

Jeff B. wrote:
jmra wrote:
Jeff B. wrote:Good thread... many excellent points. I too think that the frequency of open carry will decline after an initial splash. Personally, I think that we should have un-licensed open carry like many, many other states do, but I'm happy to see the progress that was made. We've taken step forward in gun rights. That in itself is a big thing, IMO.

It will be interesting to see how the various jurisdictions and agencies deal with OC. I hope anyone that receives unwarranted attention remains calm, cool and collected, allowing de-escalating any situation and giving the anti's grist for their propaganda mill. I'm a believer that differences with the law need to be settled after the fact through administrative and possibly civil avenues. Considering that the vast majority of the law officers out there are A-OK, I'm hoping we don't see any serious confrontations or bad press for OC.

Jeff B.
"Many, many" other states have unlicensed OC? Can you list them?
From Wikipedia (OK, not a prefect source, but OK for a quick reply);

Today in the United States, the laws vary from state to state regarding open carry of firearms. The categories are defined as follows:

Permissive open carry states A state has passed full preemption of all firearms laws. They do not prohibit open carry for all non-prohibited citizens and do not require a permit or license to open carry. Open carry is lawful on foot and in a motor vehicle. It must be noted that while open carry may be legal in such jurisdictions per se, persons openly carrying firearms may be detained and cited by law enforcement officials for disorderly conduct or disturbing the peace in certain locations and circumstances where openly carrying could cause public alarm.

Licensed open carry states A state has passed full preemption of all firearms laws. They permit open carry of a handgun to all non-prohibited citizens once they have been issued a permit or license. Open carry of a handgun is lawful on foot and in a motor vehicle. In practice however, some of these states that have May-Issue licensing laws can be regarded as Non-Permissive for open carry, as issuing authorities rarely or never grant licenses to ordinary citizens.

Anomalous open carry states The legality of open carry varies within state, based on local policies. In such states, some local jurisdictions may permit open carry while others may impose varying degrees of restrictions or prohibit open carry entirely.

Non-permissive open carry states In these states, open carry of a handgun is not lawful, or is only lawful under such a limited set of circumstances that public carry is effectively prohibited. Such limited circumstances may include when hunting, or while traveling to/from hunting locations, while on property controlled by the person carrying, or for lawful self-defense. Additionally, some states with May-Issue licensing laws are Non-Permissive when issuing authorities are highly restrictive in the issuance of licenses allowing open carry.

Rural open carry states In these states, open carry is generally prohibited, except in unincorporated areas of counties where population densities are below statutorily-defined thresholds, and local authorities have enacted legislation to not prohibit open carry in such jurisdictions (California). As such, these states are also regarded as Anomalous open carry states.

Permissive States: AL, AK, AZ, CO, DE, ID, KS, KY, LA, ME, MI, MS, MT, NV, NM, NC, OH, SD, VT, VA, WA, WV, WI, WY.

24, maybe not many, many, but alot!

Regards,

Jeff B.
Looking at actual state laws I count 20, however 11 of those states allow local governments to restrict open carry or their open carry has restrictions that make OC impractical.
So that leaves about 9 states where you can walk the streets anywhere in the state OCing unlicensed.
BTW, La is listed as an OC state. I lived there almost 4 decades and never saw a single person OC. Just for kicks visit New Orleans with a gun strapped to your hip and see how many teeth you leave in the concrete.
And you can list CO unless you are in Denver - that would be illegal.
by jmra
Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:50 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: Police, lawyers decry 'unknowns' of open carry law
Replies: 43
Views: 7160

Re: Police, lawyers decry 'unknowns' of open carry law

Jeff B. wrote:Good thread... many excellent points. I too think that the frequency of open carry will decline after an initial splash. Personally, I think that we should have un-licensed open carry like many, many other states do, but I'm happy to see the progress that was made. We've taken step forward in gun rights. That in itself is a big thing, IMO.

It will be interesting to see how the various jurisdictions and agencies deal with OC. I hope anyone that receives unwarranted attention remains calm, cool and collected, allowing de-escalating any situation and giving the anti's grist for their propaganda mill. I'm a believer that differences with the law need to be settled after the fact through administrative and possibly civil avenues. Considering that the vast majority of the law officers out there are A-OK, I'm hoping we don't see any serious confrontations or bad press for OC.

Jeff B.
"Many, many" other states have unlicensed OC? Can you list them?
by jmra
Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:51 pm
Forum: 2015 Legislative Session
Topic: Police, lawyers decry 'unknowns' of open carry law
Replies: 43
Views: 7160

Re: Police, lawyers decry 'unknowns' of open carry law

Oldgringo wrote:I still say, by the time that opening weekend is over, observed/practiced OC will be as scarce as hen's teeth.
:iagree:

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