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Paladin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:48 pm

troglodyte wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:38 pm

Paladin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:17 am

troglodyte wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:06 pm A well known trainer told us in a class one time that the FBI test was little more than a sobriety test. We took it so we could say we passed it.

If that's true, why does Tom Givens make it part of his instructor qualification course? It's not a perfect test, but I would say better than a lot of them (Texas DPS qualification being one elephant in the room)

It was Tom Givens that made the comment. His reasoning for including it in his instructor's training was to allow us to say as instructors, and have documented, that we had passed the same test as the "premier" law enforcement agency.

I don't disagree that it is better than a lot but the scoring is too lenient. A grazing hip shot shouldn't count the same as a COM or head shot. Theoretically you could have 45 "grazing" hits and still pass at the instructor's level. I scored a 96 shooting cold and could've should've done better. I missed an off-hand shot and rushed the first shot after kneeling. Several folks on the line cleaned it. I rarely practice one-hand shooting, much less one-handed off-hand (something I need to change).

Tom's instructor qualification test is much better. It is more challenging and has realistic scoring.

I guessed it was Tom that said it.

Having worked with a variety of students and I would say Tom's comments are bravado.

My take on TG's comments were that if a person had a little bit of training they could pass the FBI test. There was a little tongue-in-cheek when he referred to the FBI as premier. It's hard to put all the context in a few words and sentences. The idea was, that instructors, we should be able to easily shoot the FBI test and easily pass with a 90+.

You're correct. No one shooting test is perfect or complete. Not any instructor is perfect or complete. Every instructor I have been to has always said to find good training with a variety of instructors. I do, and recommend likewise to my students. I incorporate more varieties of "qualification" tests into my instruction. I asked TG where he goes for training. He replied that he will seek out some of the lesser known instructors and train with them, and that he learns something every time.

Not to get too far into the weeds from the OT. The new FBI test is a tool, a benchmark. Just like all tools, there is a purpose and a limitation. You work with the tool in its intended capacity and use a different tool when the job calls for it.

Paladin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:17 am

troglodyte wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:06 pm A well known trainer told us in a class one time that the FBI test was little more than a sobriety test. We took it so we could say we passed it.

If that's true, why does Tom Givens make it part of his instructor qualification course? It's not a perfect test, but I would say better than a lot of them (Texas DPS qualification being one elephant in the room)

It was Tom Givens that made the comment. His reasoning for including it in his instructor's training was to allow us to say as instructors, and have documented, that we had passed the same test as the "premier" law enforcement agency.

I don't disagree that it is better than a lot but the scoring is too lenient. A grazing hip shot shouldn't count the same as a COM or head shot. Theoretically you could have 45 "grazing" hits and still pass at the instructor's level. I scored a 96 shooting cold and could've should've done better. I missed an off-hand shot and rushed the first shot after kneeling. Several folks on the line cleaned it. I rarely practice one-hand shooting, much less one-handed off-hand (something I need to change).

Tom's instructor qualification test is much better. It is more challenging and has realistic scoring.

A well known trainer told us in a class one time that the FBI test was little more than a sobriety test. We took it so we could say we passed it.