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by KD5NRH
Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:35 pm
Forum: Goals for 2007
Topic: Penalties for illegal or improper signage...
Replies: 28
Views: 17380

GrillKing wrote:Again, if we push the issue and 'force' either compliant signs or no signs, a LOT more places will be off limits. Let people post what they want, whether firerms related or not. Either they are enforceable by law or they are not...
The biggest problem arises when one does not, or in some cases cannot know that a sign is unenforceable or misleading. For example, I was in a city a few days ago that has some restrictions on smoking areas in businesses. The first place I stopped for breakfast had a sign posted stating that smoking was prohibited by city ordinance; had I not know that the law only required special ventilation for smoking areas, I would have been disappointed but spent my money there anyway, since I would have felt that the merchant was not permitted to provide what I wanted. Since I knew the sign to be misleading, I went a couple more blocks until I found a place with the proper ventilation system to spend my money with a merchant who provided what I wanted.

The same can happen with someone from out of state who hasn't memorized the exact 30.06 requirement and sees a "No handguns allowed under state law" posting: they will assume that it is not the merchant's choice, but a requirement placed on them by the state. (Granted, 30.06 still sounds like it's not the property owner's choice to post it, but that's a separate issue and should be taken up with the legislature at some point.)
by KD5NRH
Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:47 pm
Forum: Goals for 2007
Topic: Penalties for illegal or improper signage...
Replies: 28
Views: 17380

GrillKing wrote:The difference is that your scenarios have signs that advocate acts that are illegal.
It's illegal for a Jew to fail to enter my property? How often does he/she have to be here? I suppose it could be useful if Rabbi Walker had to drop by on a regular basis, but I hope I don't have to feed him.
The non-compliant sign is simply that, non-compliant.
I would have to disagree when it purports to state a nonexistent law, or claims falsely to have force of a law.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like it when private entities use 30.06, but private property rights trump 2nd amendment in my opinion.
If posted properly and clearly, and in places that I am not forced to go, (such as the local hospital, which has an absolute monopoly over emergency room services for nearly 40 miles) I don't have a propblem with it either, as it gives me a clear indication of where I will not deign to spend money

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by KD5NRH
Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:32 am
Forum: Goals for 2007
Topic: Penalties for illegal or improper signage...
Replies: 28
Views: 17380

nitrogen wrote:Now i'm not sure about that.

I'd argue that their First Amendment rights allow to post what ever kind of sign they want.
So, it should be perfectly legal to post a "No Jews allowed by order of the Fire Marshal" sign, simply because it would be unenforceable? IMO, any sign that purports to give information about an issue of legality should be subject to certain standards of civil and criminal liability.

What would happen to someone who posted a sign that said "Under Federal law, murder is unconditionally permitted in this area," if someone else took it at its word?

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