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by C-dub
Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:22 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

I know people keep saying that he had no business bringing a rifle to a protest and no duty or right to be protecting another person's business. Especially with a rifle. I do have a different opinion or viewpoint.

He did not go to a protest with a rifle. The protest came to him.
by C-dub
Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:23 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

Remember back when there was this thought about the prosecutor intentionally going for a mistrial? The result of that could've been a mistrial with prejudice that would prevent any retrial due to double jeopardy because of intentionally throwing this one. I gotta say that this also smacks of being intentional, but with the hopes of being discovered after the jury has begun deliberation to avoid that mistrial with prejudice thing. Unless that is still on the table?
by C-dub
Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:44 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

And IIRC, there is a mistrial with prejudice for that reason double jeopardy kicks in and they cannot retry him.
by C-dub
Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:21 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

RottenApple wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:45 pm
Jose_in_Dallas wrote: Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:53 pmPardon my ignorance but does nothing become of him regarding the straw purchase on the AR? I know in the bigger picture, he gets acquitted of some bigger charges but I don't think he's getting off scot-free.
Why would there be? KR did **NOT** "straw purchase" a firearm; The person who completed the sale did. But did he really? A straw purchase occurs when one person buys a gun for someone else who is either prohibited by law from possessing a gun or who does not want his or her name associated with the transaction.

So who is a prohibited person?

This group includes anyone who:
  • is a felon
  • has been convicted of any crime punishable by more than a year in prison (whether or not they were ever sentenced to or served a day in prison)
  • is under indictment for any crime punishable by more than a year in prison
  • is a fugitive
  • is an unlawful user of any controlled substance
  • has been adjudicated as a mental defective
  • has been committed to a mental institution
  • is an illegal alien
  • has a dishonorable discharge from the military
  • has renounced their U.S. citizenship
  • is the subject of a restraining order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or the child of an intimate partner, or
  • who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence
The US military routinely takes 17 year olds and provides them with firearms. So just being 17 years old, at least under federal law, does not seem to make one a prohibited person.
I don't think it needs to be a prohibited person. There was that officer back east that purchased a handgun for his dad at his LEO discount. His dad was not a prohibited person, but also not LE to be eligible for the discount. One or both or them now have criminal records and might have done jail time.
by C-dub
Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:36 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

philip964 wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:55 pm
C-dub wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:53 pm
mayor wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:07 am
C-dub wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:23 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:49 am
C-dub wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:30 am Good news for sure.

A rapidly anti-gun co-worker of mine is retiring at the end of this year and for personal reasons I hope this is all finished before then so I can rub this in her nose. She was all over this when it happened and ya'll can guess her opinions.
She’ll tell you the same thing she probably told you after the Heller and McDonald rulings: "the court got it wrong". They just love Love, LOVE the courts, until the court decides they’re wrong.
Yeah, I'm sure she would, but didn't we do the same thing with the whole ACA is a tax ruling even though the government lawyer argued it wasn't a tax? I still think Roberts was wrong on that one.
The ACA is a tax ruling was the final arbiter and affected the entirety of the U.S. population. This, whatever the ruling, no so much.
The number of people affected isn't really what I was talking about, however, a ruling against Kyle now or in the future in appeals courts if it ever gets to that level could affect many. Not the entire country, but still many. I was only observing that people on both sides of an opinion tend to say a court got something wrong when they disagree with a ruling. Sometimes the people are right and sometimes they are wrong.
Everyone has affordable health insurance now right?

That’s why we don’t hear about it anymore, problem solved.
I'm sorry. Sarcasm? :headscratch
by C-dub
Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:53 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

mayor wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:07 am
C-dub wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:23 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:49 am
C-dub wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:30 am Good news for sure.

A rapidly anti-gun co-worker of mine is retiring at the end of this year and for personal reasons I hope this is all finished before then so I can rub this in her nose. She was all over this when it happened and ya'll can guess her opinions.
She’ll tell you the same thing she probably told you after the Heller and McDonald rulings: "the court got it wrong". They just love Love, LOVE the courts, until the court decides they’re wrong.
Yeah, I'm sure she would, but didn't we do the same thing with the whole ACA is a tax ruling even though the government lawyer argued it wasn't a tax? I still think Roberts was wrong on that one.
The ACA is a tax ruling was the final arbiter and affected the entirety of the U.S. population. This, whatever the ruling, no so much.
The number of people affected isn't really what I was talking about, however, a ruling against Kyle now or in the future in appeals courts if it ever gets to that level could affect many. Not the entire country, but still many. I was only observing that people on both sides of an opinion tend to say a court got something wrong when they disagree with a ruling. Sometimes the people are right and sometimes they are wrong.
by C-dub
Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:23 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

The Annoyed Man wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:49 am
C-dub wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:30 am Good news for sure.

A rapidly anti-gun co-worker of mine is retiring at the end of this year and for personal reasons I hope this is all finished before then so I can rub this in her nose. She was all over this when it happened and ya'll can guess her opinions.
She’ll tell you the same thing she probably told you after the Heller and McDonald rulings: "the court got it wrong". They just love Love, LOVE the courts, until the court decides they’re wrong.
Yeah, I'm sure she would, but didn't we do the same thing with the whole ACA is a tax ruling even though the government lawyer argued it wasn't a tax? I still think Roberts was wrong on that one.
by C-dub
Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:30 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

Good news for sure.

A rapidly anti-gun co-worker of mine is retiring at the end of this year and for personal reasons I hope this is all finished before then so I can rub this in her nose. She was all over this when it happened and ya'll can guess her opinions.
by C-dub
Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:53 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

philip964 wrote: Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:38 pm https://news.yahoo.com/u-teenager-charg ... 57523.html

Judge does not order Kyle rear rested or bond raised.

Huh. So was it fake news he was a flight risk.
:shock:
Careful with that space bar application. It can really change meanings.

:lol:
by C-dub
Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:12 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

OneGun wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:40 pm The world is messed up. The other day, on a news website, I explained in the comments section on a story about Kyle that Kyle was running away before he fired his gun, and only fired when he fell and was cornered by three people that were attacking him. A person argued with me that the three people were chasing Kyle in self-defense for the shooting they expected him to commit.

I have never heard such baloney before.

I have never understood the logic that running away from a confrontation makes you the aggressor. Nonetheless, the DA charged Kyle with murder for shooting the people that were chasing him, cornering him, and attacking him. Did the DA really expect Kyle to let himself get killed? And the people attacking Kyle are felons. I don't understand the logic that Kyle was the aggressor.

When I took my CHL class many moons ago, the instructor said, you cannot claim self-defense if you are the aggressor. His suggestion when you are outside of your home, avoid the confrontation. Leave the area. His next point, was if you have to shoot, you,your loved one, etc. have to be in imminent harm.

Because of the political crisis in this country, the moral compass is gone. What was right, is now wrong and vice versa. People that were never slaves demand reparations from people that never owned slaves. Defunding the police will make us safer. The Anti-facists use the violent tactics they attribute to conservatives and Trump supporters, but you never see violent masses of conservatives protesting, looting, and rioting. If race relations are so bad as the media makes our country out to be, then how come my black neighbors and colleagues and I get along so well? How did we end up in this Twilight Zone?
There are some (maybe many) on the left that think Kyle should have let himself be attacked. These same fools think that the police should not be able to use deadly force if they are being attacked by a minority. Twilight Zone or Bizarro World, take your pick.
by C-dub
Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:55 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

Grayling813 wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:20 pm Extensive information on AR15.com
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The ... 5-2362796/
Wow! There's a lot of information there.
Amusing aside:
Interview with McGinnis by Detective Cepress:
"McGinnis stated that he had handled many ARs and [Rittenhouse] was not handling the weapon very well."
Based on the videos I've seen Rittenhouse is one of the best weapons handlers under pressure I've ever seen. So much for McGinnis' credibility.]
I thought this was interesting and similar to something I said a little bit ago.
by C-dub
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:08 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion
Replies: 464
Views: 103156

Re: Kenosha Wisconsin Shooter discussion

srothstein wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:21 pm
Soccerdad1995 wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:43 pmThat said, the shooter here likely could not legally carry a handgun, so I can't fault him on this point.
His other mistake was that he could not legally carry a rifle either. In Wisconsin, it is illegal for a minor to be in possession of any loaded weapon.
This has been my biggest concern since we found out who he was.

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