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by puma guy
Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:20 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
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Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:45 pm
puma guy wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:25 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:28 pm
I still remember when this happened. I always suspected a cover up but also believed that it is an example of what not to do when carrying concealed or open. Eric's actions did not justify his death but at the same time, he did about everything wrong one could do prior to the shooting.
I read everything that was available at the time and the followup as well and I recall per witnesses the several cops on scene were giving Erik differing, simultaneous commands that he attempted to follow and at some point the cops commenced a circular firing squad with him in the middle as their target and then put a few more in him as he lay on the ground. They were fortunate they didn't wound or kill any of the many COSTCO customers who were evacuating the store with Erik among them. Of course the conveniently missing video lends itself to an easy cover up. Convenient for LV Metro and COSTCO.
Yeah, it was a bad situation. When speaking of what he may have done to bring this on himself, I was mainly talking about him causing a ruckus in the store before he was shot. I suppose I feel like it is best to remain somewhat timid when one has the ability to use deadly force with their firearm. Getting into a verbal battle can lead to bad endings.

I am not by any stretch saying he deserved it. Just that his own actions put the steps into place that lead up to it.
The part about the rukus is disputed by several witnesses. Painting him as a drugged up maniac worked. According to medical experts hired by the family Eric had a bullet wound in his arm pit which would indicate he had his arm/s raised. Some witnesses said his arms never went below his shoulders. Two shots fired while he was standing and 5 shots when he was face down on the ground. His pistol was still in it's holster on the ground along with a cell phone. Of course his lawyers were prevented from cross examining the police or witnesses during the inquiry. They had to submit written questions prior to the inquiry. If you have read Mosher's (the guy who shot him first) testimony it's hilarious. All the things he said were going through his mind before he got there, the things he was thinking when he shot Erik. All totally contrived after the fact. He even said he knew the pistol could be fired while holstered because he had a holster exactly like Erik's. But, he couldn't even recall what he said to Erik until Prosecuters played a tape of him.
by puma guy
Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:25 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:28 pm
I still remember when this happened. I always suspected a cover up but also believed that it is an example of what not to do when carrying concealed or open. Eric's actions did not justify his death but at the same time, he did about everything wrong one could do prior to the shooting.
I read everything that was available at the time and the followup as well and I recall per witnesses the several cops on scene were giving Erik differing, simultaneous commands that he attempted to follow and at some point the cops commenced a circular firing squad with him in the middle as their target and then put a few more in him as he lay on the ground. They were fortunate they didn't wound or kill any of the many COSTCO customers who were evacuating the store with Erik among them. Of course the conveniently missing video lends itself to an easy cover up. Convenient for LV Metro and COSTCO.
by puma guy
Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:57 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

Every time I look at this topic I'm reminded how easily this could happen to any one with a CHL. I do not mean to start this whole discussion again, but when you think about it here was a guy who broke no laws, just raised the ire an employee of Costco who make's a 911, being accosted by multiple PO with weapons drawn trying to obey their commands and winds up shot to pieces. Of course after the fact he was allegedly carrying a weapon not listed on his license, but that would have been unknown to any responders. It ways heavily on my mind how easily something like this happens.
by puma guy
Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:13 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

WildBill wrote:
puma guy wrote:Anyone know if any action (civil or otherwise) was taken against the guy who broke into Erik Scott's apartment and seized his property? I think he was a "Public Administrator" whatever that is. Was he included in the civil suit that has been dropped?
Maybe that was one of the initiatives that Bill Scott was referring to in his email. Since the "public administator" was not a peace officer, maybe "qualified immunity" doesn't apply.
My thoughts exactly on the PA issue.
by puma guy
Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:33 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

Anyone know if any action (civil or otherwise) was taken against the guy who broke into Erik Scott's apartment and seized his property? I think he was a "Public Administrator" whatever that is. Was he included in the civil suit that has been dropped?
by puma guy
Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:19 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

olafpfj wrote:I have several police officers in my extended family and some who were old friends, classmates, etc...probably a dozen or more that I have known at one time or another.
They run a perfect bell curve of the good cop/bad cop chart. My wifes cousin is now a Federal Marshall and I trust him completely and he is a credit to his profession and a shining example to all. His brother also became a cop and was fired for gross misconduct, the final straw being a fist fight between himself and another officer on duty in uniform. I had a cousin who was so corrupt (we all knew it, it was obvious) that after he was arrested it is believed he was beaten to death by fellow officers to keep from implicating them. I have an old musician band mate that is now CHP in California who is also a shining example of a great cop who does his job admirably.

Like anyone else there are good ones and bad ones and most are right square in the middle doing their jobs and going about their business...just like every single profession in the world. Hats off to all who have worn a badge and tried to keep us loonies in line. :tiphat:
:iagree: Pretty much says it. Mirrors my experience with friends, family - past and present. My aquaintences run from patrolmen to HPD Assistant Chief to a major city Chief, who gained national notoriety at one point. (not for anything corrupt) It was obvious who was on both ends of the bell curve. One is even in prison, though not for anything done while an officer. I still would've let them all have my back if push came to shove.
:tiphat:
by puma guy
Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:28 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

Charles L. Cotton wrote:He was banned for four reasons; 1) violation of the rule against general "COP-bashing;" 2) making a personal attack against a fellow Member; 3) responding equally inappropriately to a warning PM sent by a Moderator; and 4) then changing his email address to a bogus one with a fictitious profane domain name. Obviously, he didn't want to remain a Member.

I too am sorry about his personal attack gigag04.

Chas.
Thank You, Mr. Cotton and good riddence. This is why TexasCHLForum is THE best in the land!
by puma guy
Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:35 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

baldeagle wrote:
gigag04 wrote:Lots of experts in the room. I should excuse myself.
Gig, I see he's been banned, but I want to personally apologize for his remarks. They are clearly not representative of the community, of which you are a valued member.
:iagree: Well said. I am certain the majority of members on the forum agree, also.
by puma guy
Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:17 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

alexrex20 wrote:
gigag04 wrote:This unfortunately happens a good bit...I'm sure the spin will come for a cover up...but I regularly have a messed up video system.
of course a cop would say that.
We should all be respectful here. JMHO
by puma guy
Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:54 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

WildBill wrote:
sjfcontrol wrote:
texxas guy wrote:UPDATE

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46726665/ns ... -shooting/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:headscratch........got something else up their sleeve legalwise?
Sounds like they just gave up.
:iagree: It probably got too expensive and they thought it was unlikely that they would prevail.
The qualified immunty reference peeked my interest. Apparently the same protection government and government official have legislated for themselves extends to police officers. Quote from SCOTUS ruling in Wilson VS. Layne. "law-enforcement officers are protected from "bad guesses in gray areas". There are other ruling's on the issue as well. I couldn't find a recent 9th District Ct ruling. Texan's lost the right for remedy from government under Gov Clemen's I believe, though I may be wrong.
Insert Hi-jack here: :lol: Government is free to damage and/or destroy the property of private citizens with impunity unless it's with a vehicle at fault or due to negligence or faulty equipment as I recall from a friend's lawsuit against GBRA.
by puma guy
Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:36 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

baldeagle wrote:
puma guy wrote:This is not directly related to the Erik Scott incident but this incident happened about the same time. The family of Trevon Cole filed suit in his fatal shooting during a SWAT led "drug" bust. The victim was unarmed and kneeling in his bathroom. Las Vegas Metro's Financial Affairs is voting on a $1.7 million settlement with the family. The suit was asking for $10 million. This shooting was also ruled to be justified.
Wow! That's interesting. I would imagine that means the Scott's case will settle for a great deal more.
The Trevon Cole settlement has happened. There have been 11 fatal shooting by LV Metro PD since Scott's and Cole's and the police union, sherriff and officers all say they will not participate in the new review process instigated after Erik Scott's one sided Coronor Review brought things to light. None of those shootings have been reviewed to date. The Police Union has a lawsuit to prevent the new process. The DA wants to have his office take over the reviews but, he just resigned to become the unions legal counsel. The Scott case is in discovery now and some watching the goings on in Las Vegas believe the Trevon Cole case settlement, which is the highest ever, has set the bar - no settlement - only an award. Of course that's if they win. At some point I keep thinking the taxpayers surely will get fed up with all the awards and settlements for the "justified" shootings in their fair city.
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by puma guy
Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:35 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

This is not directly related to the Erik Scott incident but this incident happened about the same time. The family of Trevon Cole filed suit in his fatal shooting during a SWAT led "drug" bust. The victim was unarmed and kneeling in his bathroom. Las Vegas Metro's Financial Affairs is voting on a $1.7 million settlement with the family. The suit was asking for $10 million. This shooting was also ruled to be justified.
by puma guy
Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:59 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

I am disturbed that someone with the title of Public Administrator can execute a warrantless search with no cause that I can determine. I thought ongoing crime and probable cause were the only reason for that type search, but by police not some appointed or salaried administrator. Erik hadn't been charged with any crime immediately after the shooting. I wonder how quickly they were there because it raises a question in my mind as to the weapon found on Erik. I doubt EMT's and Paramedics are familiar enough with weapons to determine what pistol type and brand they found if called upon to testify, especially since their focus was on Erik. Is there any information available as to how quickly his body was removed? He was DRT according to posts and inquest, so why would he be moved by Paramedics anyway? I thought an ME had to visit the scene of a crime involving a fatality before anything can be touched.
by puma guy
Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:54 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

philip964 wrote:Here is a good link that allows you to look at the motion filed by Costco.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25225475/detail.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It you read down it accuses Erik of criminal activity inside the store. Today in Nevada they held some sort of CCW forum and a Police detective from Las Vegas said that Erik Scott committed a felony by carrying a .380 that was only similar to the one he qualified on. Apparently you must carry the same model of gun you qualified with. Obviously another capital offense.

Glad I live in Texas. :txflag:
This request was filed "ex parte'' by Costco's lawyer. They continue to try to deny Erik's side to be represented. Hey, it worked during the inquest, why not try to keep it that way?

I don't know if a dead body can be charged with a felony or not but this is just stupid. They didn't even know he had the second gun until EMT's found it. If you follow his logic to charge after they're dead we can shoot before we actually know someone's breaking the law.
by puma guy
Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:50 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 72339

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

I was looking for information on the recent court ruling on Costco and Las Vegas and ran across yet another "justified" shooting in the Las Vegas area (Henderson). Same County. A 42 year old ice cream truck driver was shot and killed after her husband called her at to the scene of a traffic stop for his ice cream truck. Deshira Selimaj came and brought her two children. She was shot after police stated she pulled a knife and held it to the throat of one of her children. The Clark County Coronor's inquest ruled it justified as they have for every shooting but one since 1976. After filing a wrongful death suit the family received an out of court settlement of $700,000.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/au ... was-leave/
As long as Las Vegas keeps pulling in the bucks I guess they can keep shooting civilians. We'll have to wait for results from Erik Scott's civil action and Trevon Cole's as well.

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