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The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 2:58 pm

puma guy wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

puma guy wrote: Very Nice! You giving Andy a run for his money?

Not a chance! First, he’s just a better shot than I am. And second, I don’t practice enough. Andy beats me like a red-headed stepchild at a family gathering; he beats me like a rented mule; he beats me like a gong.

I’ll bet i can beat him at 800 yards with a bolt gun though......at least for now.

Are you saying he'd beat you?

Like a big bass drum!

How well I know.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

puma guy wrote: Very Nice! You giving Andy a run for his money?

Not a chance! First, he’s just a better shot than I am. And second, I don’t practice enough. Andy beats me like a red-headed stepchild at a family gathering; he beats me like a rented mule; he beats me like a gong.

I’ll bet i can beat him at 800 yards with a bolt gun though......at least for now.

Are you saying he'd beat you?

The Annoyed Man wrote: It’s fitted for a left hander, with left handed cast and palm swell. Additionally, mine has an aftermarket butt pad which adjusts the stock in multiple planes.

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It’s fitted for a left hander, with left handed cast and palm swell. Additionally, mine has an aftermarket butt pad which adjusts the stock in multiple planes.
Very Nice! You giving Andy a run for his money?

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Syntyr wrote:

puma guy wrote:

Syntyr wrote:

puma guy wrote:I have a 1300 and a couple of it's predessesors Model 1200. They are smoother and less clanky than all the other pumps I own. I bought one back in 1966 that I shot sleet with. It was stolen, but the point is it was smooth and fast enough to shoot doubles with no problem.

I have a Benneli Supernova pump that is fast enough to easily shoot double with. The limiting factor is my aim not the guns speed.

Unfortunately that gun wasn't around in the 60's. I moved on to O/U, but at age 18 the 1200 was all I could afford, plus I got an extra VR barrel from the factory for $25 in a promotion. I think a plain barrel was $15. Yeah, you still have to get back on target! I couldn't shoot a double with a pump now if you gave me a million bucks. You can pick up both the Winchester 1300 and 1200 shotguns used for very reasonable prices.

Sorry for the thread hijack. I missed the original posters question.

I haven't been able to afford an investment in a nice O/U yet...sounds like the Wichester is a nice pump...

If you’re not a brand snob, take a look at the Stoeger O/U shotguns. I have a Stoeger Condor Competition that I shoot skeet and dove with (the dove are tastier than the skeets ), and the limiting factor seems to be my competence - not the gun.

I bought mine used on consignment at my LGS because it was left-handed and the price was right - about $400 or so. MSRP for a brand new one is $669, but I’m sure you could get one for less than that.


BTW, to the OP, Stoeger semiautos are the poor man’s Benelli .......literally. Stoeger is owned by Benelli. They use the same inertia driven operating system and they are really smooth. And the price is right.......again, if you’re not a brand snob.

TAM, Uh! By left handed do you mean the stock is fitted for a left handed shooter? I.E. Cheek piece, cant and offset, etc. Or are there some other "left handed" features ... the only one I could think of would be the top lever breaking to the left. Or are you just seeing if anyone would "see what you did"?
EDITED: I downloaded the Stoeger catalogue and saw the LH Competition model listed , but no details are provided.

Scott B. wrote:

Jose_in_Dallas wrote:...The shotgun is over 20 years old and has mostly sat in a closet the whole time; I think this is only the second or third time it's been shot....

Cleaning and a couple judicious drops of lubricant might do wonders.

Shotgun triggers are not made for precise shooting, since SG's are mostly used in snap shooting. If it's bad enough to occur under those conditions and if cleaning and a little lube (not on the sear) don't fix it something else may be wrong.

equin wrote:Excellent info, Puma Guy and Scott B. I had read something about the desirability of pre-64 Winchesters, and that helps explain why. Good to hear the 1200/1300s are still reliable, albeit less popular than the Rem 870 and Moss 500.

Glad to help. That 1964 .243 was the first firearm paid for myself at age 16. Had to have my dad with me to put it in layaway. It was $96 if I remember correctly.

equin wrote:

puma guy wrote:

Syntyr wrote:

puma guy wrote:

Syntyr wrote:

puma guy wrote:I have a 1300 and a couple of it's predessesors Model 1200. They are smoother and less clanky than all the other pumps I own. I bought one back in 1966 that I shot sleet with. It was stolen, but the point is it was smooth and fast enough to shoot doubles with no problem.

I have a Benneli Supernova pump that is fast enough to easily shoot double with. The limiting factor is my aim not the guns speed.

Unfortunately that gun wasn't around in the 60's. I moved on to O/U, but at age 18 the 1200 was all I could afford, plus I got an extra VR barrel from the factory for $25 in a promotion. I think a plain barrel was $15. Yeah, you still have to get back on target! I couldn't shoot a double with a pump now if you gave me a million bucks. You can pick up both the Winchester 1300 and 1200 shotguns used for very reasonable prices.

Sorry for the thread hijack. I missed the original posters question.

I haven't been able to afford an investment in a nice O/U yet...sounds like the Wichester is a nice pump...

No worry. My comment was meant in jest. I know Benneli makes fine SG's and there's no comparison to the Winny. I rarely make recommendations for a particular gun, scope or whatever, but I will offer my experiences with it for whatever it's worth. Your comment about the Supernova certainly fits the same vein. I have read many reviews on the 1300 and 1200 and they're rated from pieces of junk to almost heirloom status. I have several pumps, 3 Winchester Model 12's, a 1300 Defender, 2 Model 1200's, 2 Mossbergs, 2 Remington Model 870's, a JC Higgins Model 20 (Hi Standard) 2 Remington Model 10's and a New England Pardner. The Model 12's are actually the smoothest actions of all, but the 1200's are pretty smooth.

I have two Model 12s, a 16 and a 12 gauge. Super smooth, slick actions. No experience with the 1200 or 1300 but if they're like the Model 12, then I wouldn't hesitate in getting one if it's been well maintained.

Other than being Winchesters the 12 and 1200/1300 have very little in common. Post 1964 Winchester eliminated costly machined and forged machined parts for the most part and used stampings, investment casting and less labor intensive processes. Also aluminum replaced steel for many receivers. The bolt on the 1200/1300 was a completely different design that had rotating lugs, but was strong. Receivers were cast aluminum with little machining required. The trigger group was modular held in by cross pins and disassembly and assembly of the shotgun was simplified. Removing the magazine cap that locked on the barrel ring allowed easy removal of the barrel from the receiver. The Walnut stocks had stamped checkering to further reduce cost. The guns were well received, but weren't as popular as the Model 870 Remington, which outsold them. Post 1964 Winchester had a lot of rumors spreading around that they were made in Japan, were pot metal, etc. While the guns were no match for the all steel, forged and machined things of beauty they once were the guns were functional and reliable. They lost a lot of ground in the market after 1964. I have a post 1964 Model 70 (made tn 1964) .243 that was a great shooting rifle, albeit after I glass bedded the action and adjusted the trigger. That's one thing the Model 70 had on the Rem 700. The Mod 70 also had a free-floated barrel, so there was no need to work on that. I have a .270 Win Model 70 made in the late 90's after they went back to the controlled feed bolt of the pre -64 rifles and I use it as is from the box to deer hunt and it does a fine job. Kinda got off topic of Model 1300 shotguns. They haven'y been made sin e abut 2006, but I wouldn't hesitate nor have I in buying a used one. They are far more reasonably priced than Remingtons. (I know I'll get some feedback on that comment) LOL I'm actually looking for a 20 ga for my youngest daughter to use as a home defense SG. Just gotta wait for that great deal .

dlh wrote:I have an old Winchester Defender shotgun and it is a great home-defense gun.

Sort of weird the OP never replies or responds.

Syntyr wrote:

puma guy wrote:

Syntyr wrote:

puma guy wrote:I have a 1300 and a couple of it's predessesors Model 1200. They are smoother and less clanky than all the other pumps I own. I bought one back in 1966 that I shot sleet with. It was stolen, but the point is it was smooth and fast enough to shoot doubles with no problem.

I have a Benneli Supernova pump that is fast enough to easily shoot double with. The limiting factor is my aim not the guns speed.

Unfortunately that gun wasn't around in the 60's. I moved on to O/U, but at age 18 the 1200 was all I could afford, plus I got an extra VR barrel from the factory for $25 in a promotion. I think a plain barrel was $15. Yeah, you still have to get back on target! I couldn't shoot a double with a pump now if you gave me a million bucks. You can pick up both the Winchester 1300 and 1200 shotguns used for very reasonable prices.

Sorry for the thread hijack. I missed the original posters question.

I haven't been able to afford an investment in a nice O/U yet...sounds like the Wichester is a nice pump...

No worry. My comment was meant in jest. I know Benneli makes fine SG's and there's no comparison to the Winny. I rarely make recommendations for a particular gun, scope or whatever, but I will offer my experiences with it for whatever it's worth. Your comment about the Supernova certainly fits the same vein. I have read many reviews on the 1300 and 1200 and they're rated from pieces of junk to almost heirloom status. I have several pumps, 3 Winchester Model 12's, a 1300 Defender, 2 Model 1200's, 2 Mossbergs, 2 Remington Model 870's, a JC Higgins Model 20 (Hi Standard) 2 Remington Model 10's and a New England Pardner. The Model 12's are actually the smoothest actions of all, but the 1200's are pretty smooth.

Syntyr wrote:

puma guy wrote:I have a 1300 and a couple of it's predessesors Model 1200. They are smoother and less clanky than all the other pumps I own. I bought one back in 1966 that I shot sleet with. It was stolen, but the point is it was smooth and fast enough to shoot doubles with no problem.

I have a Benneli Supernova pump that is fast enough to easily shoot double with. The limiting factor is my aim not the guns speed.

Unfortunately that gun wasn't around in the 60's. I moved on to O/U, but at age 18 the 1200 was all I could afford, plus I got an extra VR barrel from the factory for $25 in a promotion. I think a plain barrel was $15. Yeah, you still have to get back on target! I couldn't shoot a double with a pump now if you gave me a million bucks. You can pick up both the Winchester 1300 and 1200 shotguns used for very reasonable prices.

I have a 1300 and a couple of it's predessesors Model 1200. They are smoother and less clanky than all the other pumps I own. I bought one back in 1966 that I shot sleet with. It was stolen, but the point is it was smooth and fast enough to shoot doubles with no problem.