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by Syntyr
Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:55 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: ATF Released New Proposed Pistol Brace Rules
Replies: 155
Views: 63517

Re: ATF Released New Proposed Pistol Brace Rules

Papa_Tiger wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:38 pm

That is ridiculous.

Lets see. I bought a nice little [url=https://ruger.com/products/22Charger/sp ... l}plinking pistol[/url] to help the kids with their fundamentals.

It weighs less than 64 oz with the magazine and no other accessories - per my scale came in at 55.73.

Add 9 oz and then we have to go through these tests.

Assuming I score 0 for the first half, if I add a red dot and a bipod (bipod comes with the kit I purchased) I now have an SBR?

Security theater at its finest.
Well, you know that pistol is "especially dangerous and unusual!"
by Syntyr
Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:24 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: ATF Released New Proposed Pistol Brace Rules
Replies: 155
Views: 63517

Re: ATF Released New Proposed Pistol Brace Rules

This is some weapons grade stupidity here.

Okay... so this is a two part test. If you score a 4 or higher on either step then boom you have an SBR and are a felon! You have to add up the points for each and every category that fits your weapon. eg if you have a split type stabilizer and it folds that's 3+1 = SBR.

There is a lot here to get wrong. You think you have a 3 point brace but forget that you have a hand stop, not a vertical foregrip just a hand stop. That's 2 points plus 3 and you have an SBR. The weapon weighs more than 120 ounces - automatic SBR! Sight/Scope with Eye Relief Incompatible with one-handed fire - you guessed it SBR!

PREREQUISITES
1. The weapon must weigh at least 64 ounces. * Weighed with the magazine. unloaded / accessories removed
2. The weapon must have an overall length between 12 and 26 inches. * Length measured with all non-operational accessories removed

If you meet both of these prerequisites you proceed to the SBR test Part 1.

PART 1 (Total up points and if you get 0-3 then proceed to PART 2. If you score 4 or more congrats you own an SBR!)
ACCESSORY DESIGN
Not based on a known shoulder stock design 0
Incorporates shoulder stock design feature(s) 1
Based on a know n shoulder stock design 2
REAR SURFACE AREA
The device incorporates features to prevent use as a shouldering device 0
Minimized Rear Surface lacking features to discourage shouldering I
Rear Surface useful for shouldering the firearm 2
Material added to increase Rear Surface for shouldering 3
ADJUST ABILITY
Non-adjustable, fixed design 0
Adjustable or telescoping attachment designed for shouldering 2
STABILIZING SUPPORT
Counterbalance Design - Non-Folding 0
Counterbalance Design that Folds creating Rear Contact Surface 1
OR:
"Fin- type" design WITH Arm Strap 0
"Fin- type" design WITHOUT Arm Strap 2
OR:
"Cuff-type" design that FULLY wraps around arm 0
"Cuff-type" design that PARTIALLY wraps around arm I
"Cuff-type" design that FAILS to wrap around arm 2
"Split-stock" configuration not designed to wrap around shooter's arm 3

PART 2 (Total up points and if you score 4 or more congrats you have an SBR!)
LENGTH OF PULL -w/Accessory in Rearmost "Locked Position" * Measured from the center of the trigger to the center of the
Less than 10-1/2 Inches 0 shoulder device / "stabilizing brace"
10-1/2 but under 11-1/2 Inches I
11-1/2 but under 12-1/2 Inches 2
12-1/2 but under 13-1/2 Inches 3
13-1/2 Inches and Over 4
ATTACHMENT METHOD
Standard AR-type Pistol Buffer Tube (6-6-1/2 Inches) 0
AR-type Pistol Buffer Tube with Adjustment Notches (KAK-type) I
Adjustable Rifle Buffer Tube 1
Adjustable PDW-type guide rails I
Extended AR-type Pistol Buffer Tube 2
Inclusion of Folding Adapter extending length of pull 2
Use of"Spacers" to extend the length of pull 2
Modified shoulder stock with rear replaced by "stabilizing brace" 3
Attachment method creates an unusable aim-point (slant) 3
"STABILIZING BRACE" MODIFICATIONS I CONFIGURATION
"Cuff-type" or "fin-type" design with strap too short to function 2
"Cuff-type" or "fin-type" design with strap made out of elastic material 2
"Fin-type" lacking an arm strap 2
"Cuff-type" design with strap REMOVED 4
"Brace" accessory modified for shouldering 4
Modified Shoulder Stock (originally a Shoulder Stock) 4
PERIPHERAL ACCESSORIES
Presence of a Hand Stop 2
Presence of a Secondary Grip (indicating two-handed fire) 4
Presence of Rifle-type Back-up / Flip-up Sights / Or no sights I
Presence of Reflex Sight with FTS Magnifier w/ Limited Eye-Relief 2
Presence of a Sight/Scope with Eye Relief Incompatible with one-handed fire 4
Presence of a bipod/monopod 2
A weapon as configured weighing more than 120 ounces 4 * Weighed with the magazine - unloaded

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