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by philip964
Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:40 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

9 th Anniversary of the Murder of Erik Scot by Las Vegas Police.

A coverup, missing video tape, police awards, a book, a movie and grieving parents follow after the death of a CHL , former Army Captain and West Point graduate, whose only mistake was letting part of his gun show at a Costco that had no sign preventing concealed carry.
by philip964
Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:24 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Views: 71612

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

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Apparently the killing of Erik Scott has not gone away in the years since it happened.

In case you never new about this event:

A CHL holder and former West Point Graduate and former Captain in the Army was killed by police just outside the front doors at a Costco in Las Vegas Nevada as he walked out with his girlfriend. His gun had been spotted by security as he bent down to place water bottles in a back pack or something he was considering buying. (Nevada is an open carry state and there are no signs prohibiting guns in the Costco in Las Vegas) The security person told him guns were not allowed in the store, he apparently went all 2nd Amendment on the employee, rather than simply leaving. He apparently mentioned his service in the military in the exchange with the employee. The employee also never told him to leave the store. Instead he called 911 and essentially said they had a green beret going crazy in the store with a gun. The police responded in force to what they were lead to believe was a serious problem. After the police arrived they announced that the store had a bomb threat and asked everyone to leave. As Erik Scott and his girlfriend peaceably left with the other customers, the store employee pointed out Erik to the police officer who followed Erik out of the store. At this point as he exited the building with customers everywhere around him, the police officer drew his gun and shouted at Erik to freeze, two other officers who were facing him directly also drew their weapons and shouted other conflicting orders. Erik was holding his blackberry at the time. At this point Erik either, froze, raised his hands, attempted to raise his shirt to expose his weapon or drew on the three officers who had already pointed guns at him from three sides. One officer fired first directly into his chest, then the other officers fired, he was shot seven times, five times in his back while he was on the ground. All seven shots that were fired met their mark otherwise, the officers would have shot each other or would have hit the other customers who were exiting the store at the time. Customers who were interviewed, all had conflicting views of what happened. Some thought Erik went for a gun, some thought Erik did nothing, some thought the police just executed him.

The Costco has an extensive video system. Everyone on this forum felt that the video would clear up the confusion. We would later find out the video didn't exist as the system was not working that day for the cameras that would have recorded the event. The police did not take custody of the video computer system for days. The video DVR's were not sent to the FBI Computer Forensics Laboratory in LA, but were analyzed by Al's Computer and Video (or a name like that) in Las Vegas who had a contract for video services with the County.

A inquest was held. The family was not allowed to participate. The prosecution presented evidence that Erik had prescription drugs in his system and a former wife reported that he had struck her. The police officers who were involved said Erik had tried to go for his gun and they shot in self defense. He was carrying two guns at the time. One gun, he was not licensed to carry. (Nevada has weird CC laws as your license is tied to a specific gun) The shooting was ruled justified. The family sued the Police department and Costco, both suits were eventually dropped. The family had a reward out for video of the shooting, but no video has ever surfaced. They believed that the video showing the shooting did exist.

As time has gone by officers in the Police Department have apparently talked about seeing the missing video.
by philip964
Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:38 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

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Another reason to dislike Costco.

They are removing D'Souza's America from their shelves, as is their right.
by philip964
Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:25 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 71612

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

The man in Fort Worth who was in his garage and was shot by the police or the former Marine who was shot by police in his home in Arizona, still shows how dangerous it can be when you have a weapon and are surprised by the police.

Erik Scot's problem began when he accidentally exposed his weapon, had he not done that he would probably be alive today.
by philip964
Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:14 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 71612

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

Yeah but did you know her name was Scott.

Can't find the article, but one commentator blamed police policy. If two officers are present. The other must draw his gun, per this commentator. Then if the Taser for some reason fails to work. Police policy prevents the other officer from holstering. Police have hands occupied with taser and a gun, have no choice but shooting.
by philip964
Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:52 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 71612

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

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Another person named Scott has been shot and killed by police at another Costco.
by philip964
Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:35 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 71612

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

Today is Erik Scot's birthday.
by philip964
Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:05 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 71612

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

wgoforth wrote:
philip964 wrote:
WildBill wrote:
Heartland Patriot wrote:The fact that they never bothered to ask him to leave nor informed him of store policy about firearms before calling law enforcement on him would seem to be grounds for a lawsuit to me. I will definitely not get any Costco membership now. I wouldn't want to give a company like that any of my money.
See the first post of the thread. I believe that an employee did tell him about the policy and asked him to leave. Apparently they didn't give him much time to leave before calling 911.
My understanding was these security employee said guns were not allowed in the store. Erik may have gotten all second amendment on him. The security person did not say " you must leave the store" it's kinda of like the 911 operator, did not say " do not follow Trayvon". But instead said "we don't need for you to follow him". There is a difference. But when your going to call the police to have some one arrested, you need to at least ask the person to leave.

Staying guns are not allowed in a store when there is no sign, sounds a lot like a security person over stepping his authority, this may have been how Erik felt. Who knows now as he is dead and the video evidence and other physical evidence was not collected or is missing.
Was it actually a security personal? I was under the impression that it was a stocker. If it was a stocker, I wouldn't heed the verbal notice of anyone I do not perceive to be in authority or acting with authority. Security personal I would.
A lot of time has passed, but the security person may have been just normally dressed and may have not identified himself as "loss prevention" which is what I think the guy actually was. Erik was reported to him by "an employee or customer" who may have seen him tearing up merchandise. (taking bottles out of cartons to see how many would fit in a back pack) No video or merchandise from this initial incident was collected or recovered. Funny how that never happens that way on CSI.
by philip964
Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:29 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 71612

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

WildBill wrote:
Heartland Patriot wrote:The fact that they never bothered to ask him to leave nor informed him of store policy about firearms before calling law enforcement on him would seem to be grounds for a lawsuit to me. I will definitely not get any Costco membership now. I wouldn't want to give a company like that any of my money.
See the first post of the thread. I believe that an employee did tell him about the policy and asked him to leave. Apparently they didn't give him much time to leave before calling 911.
My understanding was these security employee said guns were not allowed in the store. Erik may have gotten all second amendment on him. The security person did not say " you must leave the store" it's kinda of like the 911 operator, did not say " do not follow Trayvon". But instead said "we don't need for you to follow him". There is a difference. But when your going to call the police to have some one arrested, you need to at least ask the person to leave.

Staying guns are not allowed in a store when there is no sign, sounds a lot like a security person over stepping his authority, this may have been how Erik felt. Who knows now as he is dead and the video evidence and other physical evidence was not collected or is missing.
by philip964
Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:08 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 71612

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

tacticool wrote:I can see the logic behind suing the cops who shot him. I can even see the logic behind suing the employee, if they lied about the facts during the 911 call. I don't see any reason (except greed) to sue the company unless they have a policy encouraging employees to lie to 911.
Companies are responsible for the actions of their employees.

I went to the Costco a few years ago when I was in Las Vegas. There are still no signs, saying guns are not allowed. I am a former member of Costco, I did not know of the no gun policy until this happened. Erik had just joined Costco a few moments before, I'm sure the attendant did not say "oh please read this fine print contract carefully. It says you can't bring a gun into the store."

Erik was never asked to leave the store. Instead of asking him to leave, they called 911 and essentially said a madman was inside their store with a gun, Help Help. Then they pointed him out to the police as he was peacefully exiting the store with his girlfriend, so he could be killed.

In case you have forgotten five of the seven bullets were in his back after he was lying on the ground. Someone here called it contagious fire.

The video wasn't working that day, but it was never sent to the FBI, so we really don't know.

Former West Point graduate. Former Army Captain. Top salesman for Medtronics. Nevada CHL holder. Caucasian, handsome, athletic, the exact opposite of the police officer who fired the first bullet. Erik was portrayed as a wife beater and prescription pill addict during the one sided inquest.

"Drop your gun," "freeze", "get on your knees" the police called out with guns drawn and pointed at him. The first bullet fired into his chest killed him almost instantly.

CSI has never interested me much since this happened.

The Las Vegas police have harassed his girlfriend and other supporters since the killing.

One of the police officers has since been arrested on an unrelated matter, the two others have received a national police award.

I thought we could not link to lvrj, or did they loose that one in the courts pretty bad?

Nothing good about this but the lesson to us all.

Concealed is concealed. Any issue, immediately leave. Confronted by police, flat palm hands go slowly in the air, despite what they may be shouting.
by philip964
Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:13 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

austin-tatious wrote:
puma guy wrote:
alexrex20 wrote:
gigag04 wrote:This unfortunately happens a good bit...I'm sure the spin will come for a cover up...but I regularly have a messed up video system.
of course a cop would say that.
We should all be respectful here. JMHO
:iagree:
:iagree:
by philip964
Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:11 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

WildBill wrote:
austin-tatious wrote:
sjfcontrol wrote:
texxas guy wrote:UPDATE

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46726665/ns ... -shooting/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:headscratch........got something else up their sleeve legalwise?
Sounds like they just gave up.
Until the missing video is found...if ever. :waiting:
There is no video. According to police sources, the camera recorder malfunctioned.
And the video is thoroughly examined by the same company that has the police contract in Las Vegas.
by philip964
Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:48 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
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Views: 71612

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

"Despite multiple witnesses confirming Erik was complying with Officer Mosher's commands, recent Ninth Circuit Court opinions finding "qualified immunity" for police officers, even after agreeing excessive force had been used, makes it difficult to proceed with this lawsuit."

Got to be tough for the family to do this considering all that went on, especially after the shooting.
by philip964
Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:11 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
Views: 71612

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

I suspect the Scott family will not settle with the City of Las Vegas, but will have a trial. Then we have the Costco liability.
by philip964
Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:38 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 885
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Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

As a sort of general Las Vegas update, a year has passed since Erik Scott was shot by police outside the high end Summerlin Costco store.

Erik was a concealed handgun license holder in a state where open carry is allowed. Erik was also a West Point graduate, with a Masters from Duke, former tank Captain in the United States Army and one of the best Medtronics salesman in Las Vegas. He was with his girlfriend and they were buying things, as they were moving in together. He purchased his Costco card when he first arrived at the store as he was not a member.

The Summerlin Costco is a store that had no signs against carrying a gun in the store open, concealed or otherwise.

A security person for the store questioned him about his gun, but did not ask him to leave, after having seen it from Erik bending over. Erik may have gotten all second amendment on the security person, who then went back and called the police saying that they had a "green beret" in their store with a gun acting strangely and tearing up merchandise.

The police responded with 13 units, a police helicopter and 2 ambulances.

Erik and his girlfriend continued to shop not realizing that their world was about to end.

The police asked the Costco to announce that there was a bomb scare at the building and everyone needed to leave.

Everyone including Erik and his girlfriend peaceably filed out of the building as ordered. The security person pointed out Erik to the police who walked out behind him.

Once outside among a crowd of shoppers that numbered about forty. A policeman from behind him and with out any other warning drew his gun and tapped him on his shoulder and shouted "Freeze". Two other officers drew their weapons and shouted other commands such as "drop your gun" or "hands in the air" At this point Erik was surrounded by police all with their guns pointed at him. Erik had his blackberry in his hand. At this point the police said that Erik drew his gun on them and fearing for their lives, they all shot at Erik. From the tapping on the shoulder to the last bullet being fired was about three seconds.

Had Erik not been there or their aim had been bad, they would have shot each other or many of the people who saw the incident.

Seven bullets were fired, all striking and mortally wounding Erik. Five of the bullets were fired while Erik was on the ground.

Witnesses saw the gun or saw a blackberry depending on who you talked to. One physician wanted to aid Erik as he was dieing, but did not, as he was afraid of the police he had just seen kill a man for what he saw was no reason.

Erik was handcuffed and rolled over. No treatment was given until he was in the ambulance. Once in the ambulance, an attendant discovered that he was carrying a gun and it was reported over the radio. The ambulance attendant may have given powerful drugs to Erik to try and revive him (I'm still a little fuzzy on this) while he was in their care. Erik took prescription pain medication for a injury, Erik was 38 and was described as "buff"

Erik's girlfriend was taken to an office inside the store and held there for many hours. Erik or his girlfriend were never charged with any crime.

During this time, the police searched Erik's apartment with out a warrant, under the reason that they needed to secure it, since he was dead. (it was locked already) The police took several items from the apartment. Erik had several other guns in his apartment.

It was later reported that Erik was carrying two guns. One which was found at the scene (the one he drew on the officers) and one which was discovered in the ambulance.

Erik died and it was initially reported that the Las Vegas police had successfully stopped a "crazed" gunman from killing everyone at the Summerlin Costco.

Later as Erik's family got into town, the story changes as the word got out that Erik was a West Point graduate, was licensed to carry a gun and was not one to cause trouble. Everyone wanted to see the video images that were available from the store's cameras and from the police. In an unusual move, that information was withheld by the police pending the inquest.

Rather than the video recorders being immediately taken into custody, they remained in Costco's possession for a day or so. Then rather than sending the recorders to the FBI's computer forensics laboratory for analysis, there were passed on to a private firm in Burbank, California, a place that the police department's private security camera company knew about.

The inquest was finally held and in a process where the family has no input or cannot present any evidence. The District Attorney effectively presented a drug crazed individual, who had beaten his ex wife, drew on three officers who already had guns pointed at him and was killed. They showed evidence he was illegally carrying one of his two guns, as you must be licensed for each gun you carry and one of the guns, he was not licensed to carry.

The jury found that it was a justifiable shooting by the police, just as juries have done in the last 200 other police shootings in Las Vegas dating all the way back to the 1970's.

The video recorded evidence? There was none. The police had no video and the Costco video wasn't working that day, as it was out of order.

Since then the family has filed lawsuits against Costco and the City and County of Las Vegas. Those are working their way through the courts. Citizens were outraged enough to force small changes in the inquest system. Changes that the police union has vowed not to cooperate with. The County has recently been released from the suit by a judge.

A small number of people began showing support Erik Scott ribbons on their cars. They seemed to come under the watchful eye of the police, as Erik's girlfriend was ticketed at least twice in one week.

One of the police officers involved in the shooting was arrested for selling a gun to a felon, the other two received national police officer awards.

Erik Scott's family scattered his ashes from a sail boat near Dana Point California, July 10, 2011 on the anniversary of his murder.

The Las Vegas police have come under a more watchful eye of the press in Las Vegas, who are now less likely as before, to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Recently a videographer was beaten by a police officer for videotaping an arrest from his front yard, that video tape did not disappear, and it looks as if that officer will be fired. He had previously killed two people in his five years on the force. One was a mentally ill 15 year old boy whose mom called police, as he wouldn't take his medicine. The inquest process also found those shootings justified. That mom is also now sueing the Las Vegas police along with the videographer.

I will see if I can find a link to that story that does not involve the Las Vegas Journal.

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