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Bottom line
As of now, it is still illegal on USACE lakes/reservoirs etc, and they are still funded to enforce it, until something changes at the Federal Level.

US Army Corps of Engineers Lakes

JKTex wrote:I'm bumping this one back up to see if I can get some expert legal advice. Ok, not legal advice, but an explanation that makes sense.

I am a boater, and I'll leave it at that.

4) Bottom line, is firearm possession prohibited on Corp lakes?

not yet legal, but if/after H.R. 1865 becomes law, then it will be legal.. First, committee, then House vote, then Senate still has to hear it, and get signed into law first

Status:

Occurred: Introduced May 12, 2011
Occurred: Referred to Committee View Committee Assignments
Not Yet Occurred: Reported by Committee ...
Not Yet Occurred: House Vote ...
Not Yet Occurred: Senate Vote ...
Not Yet Occurred: Signed by President ...


Here's status page http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1865" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


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Meanwhile, there was an amendment to a bill H.R. 2354( to not fund enforcement for ONE YEAR.... but as far as I know, that isn't "law" yet ... Senate hasn't voted on it yet



Here's Status page on that bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-2354" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Status:

Occurred: Introduced Jun 24, 2011
Occurred: Referred to Committee View Committee Assignments
Occurred: Reported by Committee Jun 24, 2011
Occurred: Amendments (82 proposed) View Amendments
Occurred: Passed House Jul 15, 2011
Not Yet Occurred: Senate Vote ...
Not Yet Occurred: Signed by President ...

The amendment to H.R. 2354, the Energy and Water Development Appropriations Bill,
House Approves Altmire Amendment to Restrict Funds for Gun Enforcement on Army Corps Land PDF Print E-mail

July 14, 2011

http://altmire.house.gov/index.php?opti ... d&catid=21" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will continue to work to overturn this regulation, but, for now, defunding its enforcement is an excellent first step."

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Analogy: Just because I don't see a Policeman at the Stop Sign. or if Police agency has no funds to pay officers so they are all on strike, , doesn't mean I can run the Stop sign; it's still illegal.... I have never seen Federal Officers in the "Gun Free School Zones" to enforce that law ...

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets ... &issue=003" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

viewtopic.php?f=94&t=46711&hilit=corps" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rep Bob Gibbs @RepBobGibbs @Bob_Gibbs H.R. 1865, Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act http://gibbs.house.gov/press-release/co ... efense-act" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rep Bob Gibbs H.R. 1865, Recreational Lands Self-Defense Act http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7800" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://therightofthepeople.org/h-r-1865 ... duced.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


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SCR32

Assuming you mean http://www.legis.state.tx.us/BillLookup ... Bill=SCR32" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Caption Text: Expressing opposition to federal regulation of intrastate water resources.
Looks like it's a statement telling Feds that we are unhappy with them... a nasty note of displeasure which did nothing when Legislature ended

Now that it's on its way to the Gov. I'll comment more:

Just gotta say; I don't drink, but I spend only a little time each year kayaking/fishing, but spent MANY years in college .... guess where I've seen more people drinking? Not in college. Frat parties my foot. I never went to one, was too busy getting into 5 honor societies working towards better paychecks. Lots of boaters though say "I'll bring the beer and pay for gas if you let me ride 'backseat' in your boat fishing" ... very common, though I don't drink.

They're more willing to allow "untrained-unlicensed-no background check" MPA type people guns in boats drinking beer, partly because of Lake Falcon Bandits/murderer/Pirates etc. but they ignore the daily news reports and never see the Campus Police Alerts reports. Like: http://www.alamo.edu/district/dps/seclinks/alerts.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

E Sent to the Governor 05/27/2011
S Signed in the Senate 05/27/2011
H Signed in the House 05/27/2011
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... &Bill=HB25" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My twittter has had issues all day, when it's fixed I wanna tweet (Thanks "for giving UT rowing team guns" without CHL training background checks)


I still never found where these Senators were giving students guns ... musta been like that buyback program, poorly advertised location?

I"ll wait till Perry signs it though or the 10/20 days if he doesn't... until it is law

Gr8_Outdoorsman wrote:
Wow,,, I haven't heard of this before. I have a fish camp on Sam Rayburn and have grown up hunting and fishing around that lake since I was a toddler. If this is the case, how is it that duck hunting is allowed ON the lake?

I'm not a hunter, dunno anything about State/Federal waterfowl/duck hunting stamps etc .... I fish, but I know certain ACOE areas permit hunting in their regs

AFTER IT PASSES ... Think I'll E-mail legislators about HB25, which is on Local uncontested Calendar today, so it should easily pass.

I might ask if I store a kayak in my dorm room in case of Flooding or robbery ...... I wouldn't have to conceal the whole kayak would I?

Darn heavy holster to lug around ... 35 pounds is about the lightest kayak

just joking ....I know ... I'd still have to leave kayak with gun outside buildings, like a car ...



Lake Austin Anchored Kayakers fishing ALREADY fear UT Austin's rowing team they are bad drivers (always driving fast in reverse) with an attitude... now they might have guns, and no CHL training ....

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/Calendar ... yDate.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Senate Local and Uncontested Bills

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 110525.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LOCAL AND UNCONTESTED BILLS

The following bills have been certified for placement on the Local & Uncontested Calendar to be held Wednesday, May 25, 2011 at 9:00 AM.

HB 25 (LC) Guillen/ Flynn/ Pena/ Gonzales, Veronica/ White SP: Patrick
Relating to the carrying of certain weapons in a watercraft.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ll=HB00025" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HB 2560 (LC) Sheffield/ Driver/ Legler/ et al. SP: Estes
Relating to transporting a foster child in a vehicle where a handgun is in the possession of a foster parent licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ll=HB02560" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think Lt. Gov. Dewhurst laughed @ my tweet

_PatJohnson_ Pat Johnson
#HB25 #BoatsonCampus ? just not in campus buildings. Recommended 4 Senate Local/consent calendar #KeepCampusKayaksOutdoors #ConcealedKayaks

Then ... Local calendar deadline moved from 5pm to 7 pm

Guns on Boats - Senate
HB 25

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... &Bill=HB25" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
S Recommended for local & uncontested calendar 05/21/2011
S Reported favorably w/o amendments 05/21/2011

SCR 32

Senate now talking about

Federal Govt authority on State waters

resolution is adopted

SCR 32 Seliger

Expressing opposition to federal regulation of intrastate water resources.

Committee report printed and distributed 02:17 PM, 05/04/11
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... l=SCR00032" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Analysis
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00032I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Riparian rights in Texas is an area full of quirks though.
I know what you're saying about navigable waters etc.
Lots of kayakers studied it more than I, ... I quit at areas concerning Spanish land grants which change who owns riverbeds, but only on certain creeks, etc

Anyway, the USACE thinks they own it http://swf67.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/geor ... /index.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://swf67.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/geor ... /index.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



http://swf67.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/georgetown/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/visito ... Id=M275358" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And they've e-mailed me maps of "their water"

I"ve pestered them for years about them needing to paint a boundary line across the water at the upper ends of their lakes so we don't accidentally float over the line.

They are unsure where their boundaries are on land AND in the water, they say their maps are approximate.

whodat1 wrote:While I've been following the 'Parking Lot' and 'Campus Carry' bills closely, I haven't paid much attention to this one (I don't have a boat). I just was wondering, how does this apply to boats on a lake owned by the COE?

Can't carry on COE lakes/property; no matter what Texas law says ... UNLESS you get written permission from the District Commander (like asking the U.T. President for the same thing ... good luck with that)

So, for example ... in addition to CHLs carrying in canoes/kayaks going down the San Gabriel river (Brazos River Authority) and having someone in a car meet them twice at each lake to have them drive the gun around the lake and meet on the other end ... there will also be unlicensed "MPA types" in canoes/kayaks/boats/jetskis .... meeting cars at the upper ends of COE lakes, to have them drive the gun around the lake and meet on the other end .... so they can be armed on Brazos River Authority waters .... until they reach the next lake where ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gabrie ... 28Texas%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; they'll need someone to meet them at the upper end of the COE lake to get their gun, drive to the other end to meet them so they can re-arm and continue down the river

Texas laws aren't recognized by the USACOE; in a nutshell, you can't carry on COE property/lakes... I'm sure all the MPA carriers know not to have a gun in the car on their parking lots So of course all boaters/canoeists/kayakers will know to have someone "portage" their gun around the COE lakes so they can put them back in the boat on the other end .... all the while keeping them concealed while transferring but

"directly en route to a motor vehicle

or watercraft"
Should cover the transfer from car to boat and boat to car for unlicensed people ... I hope.
If it's not in plain view ...
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00025H.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Daily House Calendar
Tuesday, May 10, 2011
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 110510.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

********** GENERAL STATE CALENDAR **********
HOUSE BILLS
SECOND READING

HB 25 Guillen / Flynn / Pena
Relating to the carrying of certain weapons in a watercraft.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... &Bill=HB25" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;