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by esxmarkc
Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:00 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 886
Views: 173755

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

Ok I know but I just can't help myself here...

For God's sake if some police officer shoots me don't let it be "Curly". http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/se ... gun-didnt/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Next were going to find out that "Moe" and "Larry" had his back. :smilelol5:

From this guy's testimony it sounds possible that Erik pulled his gun and holster all out of his waistband in order to hand it to the cops or at least comply with the "Drop it!" command as issued by the officer.

Quoted from the http://www.lasvegassun.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; article above (hope this meets the standards)
He explained how after homicide detectives responded to the scene and began investigating the officer-involved shooting, a number of items were recovered outside the store: Several shell casings, a cell phone, and a 9mm Kimber semiautomatic handgun.

The handgun was still in its holster.

Mosher testified that he didn’t know that the gun was in its holster at the time he fired. He said he owns the same type of holster, and the gun could be “easily fired” while in its holster.

He also testified that he didn’t recall ordering Scott to “drop his gun.” But those commands are distinctly heard on the 911 tape that was played for the jury.

The tape was again played for Mosher, who said it was his voice on the tape. He was the only officer issuing commands, he said.
My crystal ball is telling me that this is going to boil down to Mosher having only been briefed with the words "Erratic", "Drugs", "Green Beret" and "Gun" lost his cool when he commanded Erik to "Drop it!" probably as a mentally pre-recorded tatic and Erik actually trying to comply with that command and Mosher panicking when we saw Erik remove his gun (in the holster) with his left hand still above his head and fired. The other officers firing in panic or sympathetic mode. The shots all came pretty rapid on the tape.

Total shame. Now seems like Erik was not the victim of a premeditated malicious attack but instead the victim of a cascade of incompetence starting with the 911 call.
by esxmarkc
Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:35 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 886
Views: 173755

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

Does that sound squirrelly to anyone else? I'm a firearms enthusiast, and "firearm" is not the term I'd use when surprised in a high-stress situation. I can't imagine an average citizen pulling it off the top of their head rather than "gun."
If you listen to and read the transcripts the guy was pretty consistent in using the term "firearm" throughout the conversation with dispatch.

Puma Guy has some points: of all the things this guy was describing to the dispatcher none of them were illegal. But keep in mind that I don't think that the police waiting outside heard any of this conversation. I only believe that they were all dispatched to the scene knowing that there was a patron in Costco acting erratically that had a gun on him. Someone else met the officers outside and gave them details of the situation and pointed Erik out as he emerged from the entrance. We haven't yet heard what that person told the police and how the evacuation was ordered/coordinated and exactly what was relayed from the dispatcher to the officers outside. But whatever the plan was it was orchestrated and went down pretty quick.
by esxmarkc
Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:41 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 886
Views: 173755

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

I have wondered why the 911 tape and video of Erik trashing merchandise and acting aggressively wasn't presented right off the bat if they would support the prosecution's allegations. Surely the hard drive for all the cameras in Costco weren't malfunctioning. I would think there are other cameras that would be recording him as he exited with all the other folks after the evacuation was announced. I know the 911 calls recording exists.
The 911 tape is right here. http://www.8newsnow.com/story/13205712/ ... est-begins" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is in the panel on the right. If you expand it to full screen you can read the transcript. It is quite chilling. If you haven't seen this you should.

The caller talks about him putting his hand on his gun a couple of times as he is walking towards the door. And I don't believe the police outside the door were aware of or could hear this conversation.

You can actually hear the officers yelling at him "Put your hands where I can see them now!" "Drop it!!" "Get on the ground!! Get on the Ground!!" and then the shots fired. And it all goes down alot faster that I imagined. Sounds like it could be the same officer giving all the commands. And the caller says right away "He pulled a firearm!"

And to be honest from the sound of the audio it seems pretty incriminating to Scott. I can imagine anyone including myself making such a phone call if I confronted someone who was being disruptive and seemed to behave erratically. And if they had a gun and were told about the store's policy and they invoked the Constitution instead of leaving I wouldn't have much choice other than call the cops. :confused5

There is likely some serious overreaction in there somewhere by the cops but the audio and transcripts add a different view to Eric's dad's version of the story. And if this 911 tape turns out to be the only recorded evidence its going to be a long hard battle for Erik's family.

This is a sad one. Don't know what to think. Just going to have to let it all play out and hopefully the truth will rise to the top. :???: :???:
by esxmarkc
Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:23 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 886
Views: 173755

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

Erik had lethal doses of prescription morphine and zanax (both are depressants) in his body, however he must have habituated to them because he appeared to be functioning normally.
I'd like to see a hair follicle regression that shows his long term drug history. With the position he held he appeared to be EXTREMELY functional. And from his appearance he appeared extremely fit - I mean work out every day kinda fit looking. On that much pain management (morphine) and on that kind of fitness regime? I'm not one that buys into conspiracies but this is starting to stink.

And why does any of this matter? If they yelled stop and he did not reach for his gun and they opened fire shooting him in the back several times then how does ANY of this matter? Isn't the sequence of events the only thing that matters here. I don't get it. I mean even if he was on every drug known to mankind and he was leaving the Costco after he ate a candy bar without paying for it first how is that relevant? The only thing I want to hear about is the sequence of events in the shooting.
by esxmarkc
Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:53 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco
Replies: 886
Views: 173755

Re: CHL holder killed by police in Las Vegas at a Costco

I have followed his blog and i'll have to say that William B. Scott comes across as educated, articulate and determined. He's a real pitbull who's not gonna let go anytime soon.

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