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by hondo44
Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:49 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 435
Views: 164785

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

anygunanywhere wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:02 pm There is no justice system. We have a legal system.
No. It's called the Department of Justice, not the Department of Legal.
by hondo44
Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:02 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 435
Views: 164785

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

Grayling813 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:40 pm
hondo44 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:18 pm
C-dub wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:07 pm
hondo44 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:55 pm The bottom line is that as a LEO she did have the right to be there, technically.
Whoa there cowboy. Why?

The police were not called to that apartment. She was not investigating a crime. She was not in pursuit of anyone. I'm curious about your assertion that she technically had a right to be in someone elses home.
It wasn't a home, it was an apartment. There is a significant difference between the occupant and the owner. The owner of the property probably didn't have a problem with a LEO resident keeping an eye on things to make sure they are safe. In Texas, tenants do not have an absolute 4th amendment privacy right because it's not their home. The apartment owner can enter the apartment or have a PROXY enter the apartment such as a repairman or a security guard.
You must be tired after making such a huge leap. That you believe that an off duty police officer has a right to be in someone else's apartment is Grand Canyon kind of leaping. Not even Evel Kneivel was able to do that.
Well that is one of the defense arguments. That the lease specified the apartment is NOT the property of the tenant and they do not have reasonable expectation of privacy from leasing agency personnel, their contractors (like LEOs), or First Responders, including Fire, Police, and EMTs, including OFF DUTY.
by hondo44
Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:18 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 435
Views: 164785

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

C-dub wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 1:07 pm
hondo44 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:55 pm The bottom line is that as a LEO she did have the right to be there, technically.
Whoa there cowboy. Why?

The police were not called to that apartment. She was not investigating a crime. She was not in pursuit of anyone. I'm curious about your assertion that she technically had a right to be in someone elses home.
It wasn't a home, it was an apartment. There is a significant difference between the occupant and the owner. The owner of the property probably didn't have a problem with a LEO resident keeping an eye on things to make sure they are safe. In Texas, tenants do not have an absolute 4th amendment privacy right because it's not their home. The apartment owner can enter the apartment or have a PROXY enter the apartment such as a repairman or a security guard.
by hondo44
Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:55 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident
Replies: 435
Views: 164785

Re: Officer Invades Apartment, Shoots Resident

jason812 wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:39 pm
Grayling813 wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:21 pm
thatguyoverthere wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:43 pm
jason812 wrote: Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:15 pm I have caught bits and pieces of the trial. Mainly reporting on the AM radio. Why did the jury not get to hear the Texas Ranger say she acted reasonably? I haven't seen an explanation why that statement was not in front of the jury.
I, too, have only heard bits and pieces. But I did hear that quote from the Texas Ranger. IIRC, he not only said that she acted reasonably, but also that no crime was committed (in his opinion).

Don't know why the judge did not allow it, but also not sure why the Ranger thinks that would not be a crime of some kind, to kill someone minding their own business in their own home by someone else who had no reason or right to be there at all. So how does the Ranger think it's supposed to work then? You just say "oops, sorry. My bad." Then everybody goes home at the end of the day (well, except for the innocent dead guy, of course)?
If the Ranger said that, he is helping destroy the reputation of the Texas Rangers as a fair and impartial investigative force.
I think it would have destroyed the prosecution's case. I don't think 1st degree murder is an appropriate charge and from what I heard of the opening statement, the prosecutor sounds like a slime ball. Sad thing is if she walks or even convicted of a lesser crime, I bet there will be riots stoked by outside agitators.
The bottom line is that as a LEO she did have the right to be there, technically. And statistically the most crimes are committed by Afro American males between the ages of 16 and 26. And this particular Afro American male was involved in illegal activities such as drug possession, drug use, and possibly lying in wait - due to leaving his apartment unlocked. It's possible he intended to do her bodily harm and she protected herself before he had the chance to act. It will be interesting to hear what the witnesses have to say but I am beginning to doubt the prosecution's story.

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