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The average amount of training time spent
on firearms skills in the academy is a mere 60 hours, with
even less time spent on self-defense skills (Reaves, 2009).
Even with in-service training, law enforcement officers may
only receive another 12-16 hours or fewer of firearms use
training over the course of each year (Lewinski, 2013).

oljames3 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 10:21 pm

Paladin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 19, 2022 10:51 am LOL, the legacy media needs to update their tired old "wild west" propaganda. This is what the bill actually does:

State Sen. Joey Hensley, who introduced the state Senate version of the bill, told ABC News that the goal of the bill was to allow enhanced gun permit carriers to carry their weapons into locations where off-duty law enforcement enter, such as a store or restaurant that prohibits guns inside their business. Hensley said the bill would not allow enhanced permit holders to bring their weapons into courts or schools.

"This is trying to open it up so that people who go to the extreme to get this extra permit can have the right to defend themselves in more places," the senator told ABC News Thursday.

That is not making them law enforcement at all.

This is ridiculous as well:

The state's largest police union, however, told ABC news that it is "adamantly opposed to this bill in its current form."

Scottie DeLashmit, the president of Tennessee State Lodge for the Fraternal Order of Police, said police officers in the state "spend countless hours" on the gun range honing their marksmanship skills and must qualify annually with the same weapons.

No offense, but I have to imagine Tennessee is the same as most other states where police officers get around 40 hours of firearms training, which isn't all spent on shooting(cleaning/use of force/etc). Studies about LEO vs. recreational vs. novice shooters are extraordinarily eye opening:

The real risks during deadly police shootouts: Accuracy of the naive shooter

Participants were separated by firearms experience into the following groups: expert (completed law enforcement firearms course, n = 83), intermediate (recreational experience, n = 71) and novice (minimal/no experience, n = 93). All subjects were tested for accuracy at target locations from 3 to 75 ft. For all locations, no difference was found in accuracy between expert and intermediate groups (p > 0.30). Experts and intermediates had better results than novices on all locations (p < 0.05) except from 3 to 15 ft. Alarmingly, experts were only 10% more accurate than novices between 3 and 15 ft. Finally, novices and intermediate shooters were more likely to hit head locations from 3 ft (57%), whereas experts mainly hit the body location (78%). The results of this study indicate that officers had no advantage over intermediate shooters and a small advantage over novices.

Note that this study artificially boosts the "law enforcement" category by combining Law Enforcement with military (with handgun training) and then calling everyone in the category law enforcement. I can only think of ONE reason for the authors to do that... because without adding military the "law enforcement" numbers are significantly worse. In his book Bill Rogers indicates that historically many law enforcement organizations didn't even practice drawing from the holster.

I would LOVE to see a study of students who when through the NRA series of Personal Protection courses vs. these other groups, but I think I already know the answer. The NRA trains students to use barricades, holsters, etc.

Can't help with NRA, but the Rangemaster students involved in shootings I do know. Of the 68 students of Tom Givens (Rangemaster) who have been involved in shootings, the hit percentage is 90+ vs about 30 for police.

State Sen. Joey Hensley, who introduced the state Senate version of the bill, told ABC News that the goal of the bill was to allow enhanced gun permit carriers to carry their weapons into locations where off-duty law enforcement enter, such as a store or restaurant that prohibits guns inside their business. Hensley said the bill would not allow enhanced permit holders to bring their weapons into courts or schools.

"This is trying to open it up so that people who go to the extreme to get this extra permit can have the right to defend themselves in more places," the senator told ABC News Thursday.

The state's largest police union, however, told ABC news that it is "adamantly opposed to this bill in its current form."

Scottie DeLashmit, the president of Tennessee State Lodge for the Fraternal Order of Police, said police officers in the state "spend countless hours" on the gun range honing their marksmanship skills and must qualify annually with the same weapons.

Participants were separated by firearms experience into the following groups: expert (completed law enforcement firearms course, n = 83), intermediate (recreational experience, n = 71) and novice (minimal/no experience, n = 93). All subjects were tested for accuracy at target locations from 3 to 75 ft. For all locations, no difference was found in accuracy between expert and intermediate groups (p > 0.30). Experts and intermediates had better results than novices on all locations (p < 0.05) except from 3 to 15 ft. Alarmingly, experts were only 10% more accurate than novices between 3 and 15 ft. Finally, novices and intermediate shooters were more likely to hit head locations from 3 ft (57%), whereas experts mainly hit the body location (78%). The results of this study indicate that officers had no advantage over intermediate shooters and a small advantage over novices.