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Paladin wrote:Oklahoma mother, daughter speak out after shooting suspect during violent armed robbery

Hero's for sure. Glad they are ok.

Man shot after allegedly trying to rob liquor store is booked into jail

On Thursday, Lee was booked into the Tulsa County Jail on 10 counts of robbery with a firearm.

Funny how laws against Armed Robbery and owning a sawed-off shotgun didn't stop any of these 10 robberies?

Tyrone Lee's string of crimes was only ended by armed citizens. I wish the law abiding citizens could have had "equal" firepower.

troglodyte wrote:A friend that watches Live PD said the BG took 4 rounds. 4 out of what appeared to be 6 rounds fired and he was still able to pistol whip the mom and leave on his own. Also said the BG was clean, no drugs or alcohol.

Lots of things that went wrong but ultimately one thing went right. The two women were not seriously hurt and the BG is in the hospital and going to jail.

True. Good info!

cirus wrote:I don't know how far down body armor covers the torso but I would think a couple of 45acp in the gut or crotch would do the trick.

It might work. But with the Epidemic of Illicit drug use I personally would never count on it. Drugged out violent criminals may not even feel the pain until much later.

puma guy wrote:Definitely calls for "triple tap", then repeat until ammo is exhausted.

With the proliferation of body armor these days it's important to put some shots on areas other than Center of Mass.

One of the lessons learned at the N.T.I. was:

"Target neutralization can be a problem for some people. I have seen people dump entire magazines into targets that were wearing a vest and failed to go for a headshot. At NTI. XIII, one target was wearing a vest and required a headshot to be neutralized. Many people kept shooting the body until they were told to take a head shot. If they had not been told, some may have used their entire ammo supply on the first target that they had seen. If the target does not go down after a few shots you need to change what you are doing. You may want to transition to a headshot." - Ron Koch

First Person Defender had a great episode where the bad guy has body armor and won't go down with COM hits.

Paladin wrote:

stroo wrote:I think the only thing that really would have stopped him would have been a head shot.

A hit on the spinal cord would also drop him quickly.

A hundred years ago, before the age of political correctness, with experience in an area of the world where lawsuits were never an issue, Fairbairn & Sykes advocated 2 + 2 shooting. They recommended 2 to COM and then 2 to the head... when it sounds like a machinegun they said you're doing it fast enough.

Pilgrim wrote:Another observation is it seems the BG was acting like he was giving up just before he attacked the lady for her gun. Don't trust the BG when he pretends to be giving up when he really is just tricking you until he can attack.

Very, very true!

BG did not rob the store, and then break back in just to have a little chat. He was there to hurt or kill, and used deception to get close enough for a gun grab.

stroo wrote:I think the only thing that really would have stopped him would have been a head shot.

A hit on the spinal cord would also drop him quickly.

Tex1961 wrote:There is another trending post right now “Should I carry a .22”. I think you might have your answer. I also wonder what drugs he might have had in his system.

Good point!

The scumbag was probably robbing for money for drugs and might have been on PCP or similar. He seemed to shrug off a lot of injury, and went right thru that glass door.

Of course self defense shootings are never like on TV. Unless you get solid shot placement in the central nervous system, it will take a good amount of time for a determined attacker to bleed out to the point of incapacitation. History has shown that fatally wounded home intruders typically run hundreds of yards away before they collapse.

Intense video. So glad the ladies are ok and that scumbag is in custody. The ladies put an end to that one man crime spree and Tulsa is safer for it.

While the lack of audio leaves some uncertainties in my mind, I would urge the ladies to get some additional training and/or some more effective weapons. Better shot placement(looked like the lady took her first shot closing her eyes), Shooting until they stop the robber, a more secure front door so guy can't break back in, and having a firearm/ammunition with suitable stopping power might have prevented unnecessary injuries/risks to themselves.