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by steveincowtown
Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:21 pm
Forum: 2017 Legislative Wish List
Topic: Political Capital-Prohibited Places vs Constitutional Carry
Replies: 128
Views: 52270

Re: Political Capital-Prohibited Places vs Constitutional Carry

The Annoyed Man wrote: I think that now that we already have OC, doing something about prohibited places will have a bigger impact on the lives of people who are already licensed than either it OR Constitutional Carry will have on the lives of people who have chosen at this point to not get a license to carry a firearm.
TAM, although I agree with most all of your 10,000+ post I have to take exception here. The reason so called Constitutional Carry is so important is because of all the folks who simply can't "choose" to get a license. I have a personal friend who wants her LTC. She is qualified, she simply does not have the money to do it. I offered to pay for it, and she simply doesn't have the time.

She is a single mother, broke up with a nutcase, and he has threaten to kill her. Why should money or time be a barrier in restricting her God given right to defend herself?

She is a Saint, a beautiful person, and yet can only sleep with a gun under her pillow and not carry it on her person right now.

I get it. Paying for an LTC wasn't a big deal for me. Probaly wasn't for you either. I own a great collection of guns that is probaly equal to what you forgot you have bought.

The Second Ammendment should not come with a price tag, none of the others do.
by steveincowtown
Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:42 am
Forum: 2017 Legislative Wish List
Topic: Political Capital-Prohibited Places vs Constitutional Carry
Replies: 128
Views: 52270

Re: Political Capital-Prohibited Places vs Constitutional Carry

Charles L. Cotton wrote:1. We do not have a super majority in the Senate. That's why we had to change Senate rules to allow bills to reach the floor for debate with only 19 votes.
You would surely know more about this than me, but didn't changing the rule in affect make it a super majority?
Charles L. Cotton wrote: 2. Party Platforms don't matter in the least; they are routinely ignored. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.
Agreed on all points.
Charles L. Cotton wrote: 3. Unlicensed carry will not pass in 2017. Spending one dime of political capital on it would hurt the effort to promote bills that can pass. It will be interesting to see if any of the open-carry organizations even try next session.
You are in the mix, I am not. I'll take your word.
Charles L. Cotton wrote: 4. Rendering 30.06/30.07 signs is neither desirable nor possible. Private property rights folks, most of whom are also strong Second Amendment supporters, would oppose it in huge numbers. Forcing property owners to confront people carrying handguns rather than allowing them to post enforceable signs is a concept that very few people support.
I strongly disagree.

#1> Private business give up certain rights when they are open to the public. I have a book of city and state codes that prove it.

#2> I cannot find one case in any open carry state where someone went haywire when they were asked to leave. In addition, I feel that implying that this could be a problem discounts the stellar record of LTC holders.

#3> I won't post it again, but there are many, many states where signs have no force of law. It hasn't been a problem in these states, and like most Texans I just think we are better than them!
Charles L. Cotton wrote: 5. Removing the duty to disclose your LTC to a LEO was overwhelmingly opposed in 2009 and that's why we removed all penalties by adding that language to the DPS sunset bill.

Chas.
I personally do not have a problem with disclosing, and will continue to do it whether it is the law or not. 20% due to the fact I have great respect for LEO's and 80% due to the fact I would prefer not to accidentally get shot on the side of the road over an avoidable misunderstanding. That being said, forcing LTCers to disclose is just another law that penalizes the law abiding citizens. Much like a 30.06/30.07 sign won't keep a criminal from carrying a gun past it, forcing law abiding citizens to disclose they are carrying does nothing to protect officers against criminals.


I understand the desire to reduce off limit areas, but I am quite pessimistic about it. Didn't we clarify the public area where LTCers could carry last session, and even added penalties? Yet many cities and counties have thumbed their nose note only the TXLeg but the AG as well? What makes anyone think they all the sudden a new law will keep people from continue to post unenforceable 30.06/30/07 signs?

IMHO, the real answer is to both take the teeth out of 30.06/30.07 AND expand areas where we can carry. This way once the areas we can carry are expanded, even if city/counties/etc. post 30.06/30.07 we would be risking a small (let say $25 Class C). This would also allow some cases to go to court and set some much needed precedent.
by steveincowtown
Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:21 pm
Forum: 2017 Legislative Wish List
Topic: Political Capital-Prohibited Places vs Constitutional Carry
Replies: 128
Views: 52270

Re: Political Capital-Prohibited Places vs Constitutional Carry

Jusme wrote:

I have no doubt that it could work in Texas just as well as it does other places, however, even with the Super Majority, in the House and Senate, a lot of them only won their office by the slimmest of margins, and have constituents, who don't put the Second Amendment at the top of their priority list. We have won a lot of victories, and will continue to do so, but I think that a full on assault, pushing for Constitutional Carry, will result in some of the more liberal Republicans, to back away, and bow to pressure from the left, in their districts.
Jusme, most who were elected in Texas in 2014 won by HUGE margins. I can count on one hand the elections for State Senate and House that were even close:

http://elections.sos.state.tx.us/elchist175_state.htm


As to there being some liberal Republican's that have infiltrated the ranks, you will get no argument from me there! I don't feel like we should let it Straus us out too much though. :txflag:
by steveincowtown
Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:34 pm
Forum: 2017 Legislative Wish List
Topic: Political Capital-Prohibited Places vs Constitutional Carry
Replies: 128
Views: 52270

Re: Political Capital-Prohibited Places vs Constitutional Carry

I am always left scratching my head when in Texas we have:

Super Majority in Senate
Super Majority in House
A Governor who is arguably the most pro gun in our State's History
A Republican State Platform that specifically calls for Constitutional Carry while retaining licensing for Reciprocity purposes


And we still talk about "Political Capital." How about our elected Republican public servants just start acting as such? :banghead:

My agenda would be:

- 30.06/30.07 have no force of law without oral notification of Trespass (before anyone jumps on me, look at all the states where this is the case)

- Strike the requirement to show CHL/ inform. Have you watch the news lately? There are to many fake cops out there right now. Imagine you get pulled over by one of these guys, had over your ID/CHL, he takes your gun, etc. Doesn't sound like a situation that would end well.

- So called "Constitutional Carry." If there are any amongst us that don't think CC can work in Texas, please show me examples of how this has been a problem in other states that have it, and then as a follow up explain why Texans aren't as good of people as the residents of those states. :tiphat:


JMHO

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