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Flightmare wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:30 pm

dale blanker wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 5:06 pm

philbo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:55 pm Trump’s longtime lawyer Michael Cohen has surrendered to FBI as he prepares to plead guilty in federal investigation.
"Cohen is expected to plead guilty to charges related to bank fraud, tax fraud and a campaign finance violation"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 6826fb6393

philbo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:01 pm Manafort convicted on 8 counts; mistrial declared on 10 others
"Manafort was convicted on five counts of filing false tax returns, one count of not filing a required IRS form, and two bank fraud counts."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... dc7b58d140

Welcome to the world of sleaze....

I will agree with you that Manafort has been found guilty of multiple crimes, and he should be held accountable for those crimes. While Cohen has pled guilty, he may just not want to deal with the hassle. I can't say for sure since I have not seen any of the evidence. In either case, I agree that a person who has committed a crime should be held accountable. I'm still trying to figure out how these cases/convictions pertain to the alleged "Russian Collusion" that Mueller was supposed to be investigating.

Flightmare wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:18 pm

Jusme wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:01 pm Obstruction of what???? How is revoking an ex government employee's clearance, obstructing anything?

I believe it is obstructing the #NeverTrump movement.

philbo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:26 pm Even Fox news is not on the same page. Now that's entertainment.

AWKWARD! Watch Sean Hannity Keep Getting Corrected By Shep Smith In New Supercut
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sh ... 5c73d7fd0e

flechero wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:57 pm

TreyHouston wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:05 pm

Are you just going to argue everything? He won, get over it Hillary. MAGA

He reminds me of a guy I once knew... you could take him to lunch when he was broke and he'd be upset that it was only Chili's and not a $100 meal.

philbo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:13 am

rotor wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:46 pm

philbo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:21 am In Ruling Against Trump, Judge Defines Anticorruption Clauses in Constitution for First Time. He ruled that the lawsuit should proceed to the evidence-gathering stage, which could clear the way for an examination of financial records that the president has consistently refused to disclose.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/us/p ... wsuit.html

You make it sound like a crime that he hasn't shown his tax returns. No law requires this disclosure. Congress can pass one if they think it is important. Perhaps Congress will show their tax returns as well. Amazing how people come into Congress broke and leave multi-millionaires. At least Trump came in with money and bragged about it not like Romney who was ashamed of his wealth.

Every president since Nixon has released their tax return. The reason Nixon did so (and this tradition began) was to provide transparency and quell questions that existed as to whether he had violated the tax code, and if so could the IRS be trusted to investigate a person independently when that person was their boss. Such transparency has been instrumental for persons in power to quickly quiet questions for ethics violations, or in this case a violation of the emoluments clause of the constitution. While no law requires trump to release his returns, there is no law that prevents his doing so... something trump has stated on numerous occasions. The problem is that by refusing to provide transparency, trump provides ammunition for his opponents to attack as they are now doing. Has trump violated the emoluments clause? Perhaps not, but a more savvy politician wouldn't allow such claims to grow to the distractions they obviously are. In this case, trump has created the conditions for his own misery.... but that may well define his entire presidency so far.

dale blanker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:48 pm

rotor wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 6:55 pm

dale blanker wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 5:28 pm Shouldn't we be interested in the financial obligations, income, investments, and charitable support of all elected and appointed officials??? Shouldn't the president fulfill his promise to provide his tax return when his "audit" was over??? Where's the transparency???

Congress writes the requirements for what financial interests must be shown for those running for office. If you have ever viewed one you know that they are very broad and not crystal clear. Releasing tax returns can give other business an inside look and advantage over ones business in the real world. I don't think any official running for any office is required to release their tax returns. Trump was elected without releasing his returns and I ran for a minor office myself once and if I were required to release my tax return I wouldn't have run. I lost anyway. Coke doesn't release their formula either, only list ingredients required by law. So what's your argument? Even at my income level my returns are done by an accountant and I sign the stupid things but don't understand them.

Note that I was raising questions above, not quoting or proposing law but it's hard to imagine that trade secrets can be surmised from one's tax returns. In the case of the president, it's all in "The Art Of The Deal" anyway. By the way, prospective citizens are required to provide at their naturalization interview, among other documents, copies of their tax returns for the past five years (or three years if they are married to a U.S. citizen).

philbo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:59 am

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:57 am How come the DemocRats are silent about the $400 million of illegally-obtained money in Russia that was funneled to Hillary's campaign with the help of US Intelligence under Obama?

Because it NEVER HAPPENED! Even Putin walked back his own claim on this one.

Putin Says He Misspoke Too, Withdrawing Claim Clinton Got Millions Stolen From Russia:
https://theintercept.com/2018/07/18/put ... en-russia/

Putin's Pants-on-Fire claim about $400 million donation to Clinton from Bill Browder partners:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -donation/

carlson1 wrote:

TreyHouston wrote:

dale blanker wrote:

carlson1 wrote:I know for a fact we are better off with Trump than the other choice, but I have a question. What would we be saying if a democrat had one and their administration would have turned over like this one? It seems they either quit or get fired weekly if not daily.

Ah, an interesting question from our moderator! But I think the question is really a rhetorical one - pointing out that under "normal" conditions we might be more critical about how things are being done. It looks like now anything goes and no one cares - a tweet to fire the Secretary of State? Prospects for stability in the White House do look dim - there appears to be only impulsive reaction and little or no reflection.

What happens when a CEO takes over a failing business? Same thing with a new NFL head coach. Heads will fly!

That’s great except the heads flying are the heads he hired.

dale blanker wrote:

carlson1 wrote:I know for a fact we are better off with Trump than the other choice, but I have a question. What would we be saying if a democrat had one and their administration would have turned over like this one? It seems they either quit or get fired weekly if not daily.

Ah, an interesting question from our moderator! But I think the question is really a rhetorical one - pointing out that under "normal" conditions we might be more critical about how things are being done. It looks like now anything goes and no one cares - a tweet to fire the Secretary of State? Prospects for stability in the White House do look dim - there appears to be only impulsive reaction and little or no reflection.

philip964 wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/special-co ... 1521143068

Mueller subpoenaed Trump Organization records in Russian Collusion investigation.

Waited a year to do this.

Fishing expedition or did the investigation lead him here?

Knowing Trump, I’m sure his appointment of Jeff Sessions is really getting on his nerves.

TexasJohnBoy wrote:DNC was bought and paid for:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11 ... inton.html

The fix was in after all.

Last year's presidential primary between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders was rigged by the Democratic National Committee - just as Sanders' supporters suspected - to hand the nomination to Clinton, according to a bombshell claim by Donna Brazile. The onetime Clinton confidante, CNN commentator and former interim party boss made the explosive claim Thursday while touting a new book that could sever her ties to Team Clinton for good.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... 016-215774

The Saturday morning after the convention in July, I called Gary Gensler, the chief financial officer of Hillary’s campaign. He wasted no words. He told me the Democratic Party was broke and $2 million in debt.

“What?” I screamed. “I am an officer of the party and they’ve been telling us everything is fine and they were raising money with no problems.”

That wasn’t true, he said. Officials from Hillary’s campaign had taken a look at the DNC’s books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt—$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaign—and had been paying that off very slowly. Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.

This fix was in for a long time.