Denny's customer shoots @ armed robbers

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Re: Denny's customer shoots @ armed robbers

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Post by zigzag » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:44 pm

Glad no one got hurt.


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Post by alvins » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:18 pm

personally i wouldnt be shooting at them unless they threatened me. Now I probably would have pulled it and hidden ready to defend myself.


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Post by mbw » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:52 pm

The channel 2 web page reports that the CHL holder was the only customer at the time of the robbery.


http://www.click2houston.com/news/Custo ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder who fired first? From the article it sounds like the customer fired the first shots.

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Post by RoyGBiv » Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:54 pm

mbw wrote:The channel 2 web page reports that the CHL holder was the only customer at the time of the robbery.


http://www.click2houston.com/news/Custo ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder who fired first? From the article it sounds like the customer fired the first shots.
If somebody is threatening you with deadly force, it's usually advisable to be the first to fire.
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Post by Big Meg » Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:02 pm

mrvmax wrote:My wife was asking me what I would have done if I had been there. BTW, I normally carry my STI Trojan in 45 ACP and two extra mags (if I am wearing cargo shorts like I do most of the year, I sometimes carry two more magazines in my cargo pockets for a total of four extra mags). This time of year when I wear pants I also carry my LCP in an ankle holster with an extra mag. To be honest, I would be reluctant to do anything until I was convinced they were going to harm someone. I know it may be hard to tell since they can shoot someone in a split second, but I'm not taking the chance of hitting an innocent person unless I am forced to. I also realize I am not a police officer and I am not a superhero so I am not obliged to protect the world. There are just too many "what ifs" to sit here and say what I would have done. The first thing I would have done was to shield my family and draw my gun under the table. I guess it would be a stressful waiting game after that for a few seconds until I determined what to do. Maybe others think this is an easy decision, but for me it is a difficult call.

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Post by Oldgringo » Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:35 pm

Big Meg wrote:
mrvmax wrote:My wife was asking me what I would have done if I had been there. BTW, I normally carry my STI Trojan in 45 ACP and two extra mags (if I am wearing cargo shorts like I do most of the year, I sometimes carry two more magazines in my cargo pockets for a total of four extra mags). This time of year when I wear pants I also carry my LCP in an ankle holster with an extra mag. To be honest, I would be reluctant to do anything until I was convinced they were going to harm someone. I know it may be hard to tell since they can shoot someone in a split second, but I'm not taking the chance of hitting an innocent person unless I am forced to. I also realize I am not a police officer and I am not a superhero so I am not obliged to protect the world. There are just too many "what ifs" to sit here and say what I would have done. The first thing I would have done was to shield my family and draw my gun under the table. I guess it would be a stressful waiting game after that for a few seconds until I determined what to do. Maybe others think this is an easy decision, but for me it is a difficult call.

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Post by TxFig » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:06 pm

Piney wrote: I consider that past the legal (and perhaps moral?) definition of self defense and shooting to stop the threat. As one sees the BG driving off or his/her backside out the doorway- the threat is effectively stopped.

I'm not saying I would or would not have done what the armed citizen in this case did, but I absolutely disagree with your assertion in the above quoted text. Just because someone has turned and is running NOW does not mean the threat has ceased. IMO, the threat has not ceased until 1 of 2 conditions have been met:

(1) the threat is GONE
(2) the threat is no longer moving


IOW, so long as they are still present and moving, they are still a threat.

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Post by threoh8 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:39 am

Observations:

Moving to the parking lot does not necessarily mean leaving. Out if sight is not "gone".
An armed felon moving away may be moving toward another victim, signalling for reinforcements, or going for the heavier weapons.
The threat may change, but it's still there until prey or predator is completely gone.
Moving to the exit may allow a better view of the situation, and better decisions from that point.
Chasing is generally a bad idea. Overwatch of their withdrawal, not so bad. Getting descriptions and license plates, good.
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Post by Purplehood » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:51 am

threoh8 wrote:Observations:

Moving to the parking lot does not necessarily mean leaving. Out if sight is not "gone".
An armed felon moving away may be moving toward another victim, signalling for reinforcements, or going for the heavier weapons.
The threat may change, but it's still there until prey or predator is completely gone.
Moving to the exit may allow a better view of the situation, and better decisions from that point.
Chasing is generally a bad idea. Overwatch of their withdrawal, not so bad. Getting descriptions and license plates, good.
I would have to agree.

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Post by Oldgringo » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:38 pm

Purplehood wrote:
threoh8 wrote:Observations:

Moving to the parking lot does not necessarily mean leaving. Out if sight is not "gone".
An armed felon moving away may be moving toward another victim, signalling for reinforcements, or going for the heavier weapons.
The threat may change, but it's still there until prey or predator is completely gone.
Moving to the exit may allow a better view of the situation, and better decisions from that point.
Chasing is generally a bad idea. Overwatch of their withdrawal, not so bad. Getting descriptions and license plates, good.
I would have to agree.

IMHO staying inside the Restaurant and not trying to observe what the BGs are up to can lead to fatal consequences.
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Re: Denny's customer shoots @ armed robbers

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Post by speedsix » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:11 am

TxFig wrote:
Piney wrote: I consider that past the legal (and perhaps moral?) definition of self defense and shooting to stop the threat. As one sees the BG driving off or his/her backside out the doorway- the threat is effectively stopped.

I'm not saying I would or would not have done what the armed citizen in this case did, but I absolutely disagree with your assertion in the above quoted text. Just because someone has turned and is running NOW does not mean the threat has ceased. IMO, the threat has not ceased until 1 of 2 conditions have been met:

(1) the threat is GONE
(2) the threat is no longer moving


IOW, so long as they are still present and moving, they are still a threat.

...it's not about a "threat"...the shooting happened during the commission of an aggravated robbery...and deadly force is authorized...even while they're fleeing the parking lot...
...the caveat is to remember that every bullet has a lawyer tied to it...make sure to hit your intended target...

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