ATF raid in Lewisville. Guns, ammo confiscated.

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Post by AEA » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:50 am

sjfcontrol wrote:What's a "sealed federal search warrant"? What's the point of sealing it, which I presume means nobody can know what's in it.
Is that so you can change it later to match whatever you find in the search? :headscratch
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Post by 57Coastie » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:28 pm

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sjfcontrol wrote:What's a "sealed federal search warrant"? What's the point of sealing it, which I presume means nobody can know what's in it.
Is that so you can change it later to match whatever you find in the search? :headscratch
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Post by Heartland Patriot » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:03 pm

Sounds like the kind of thing that the BATFE is noted for doing. Its what happens when you create laws that can be "interpreted" into just about anything those doing the interpreting want to make it.
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Post by sjfcontrol » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:12 pm

Heartland Patriot wrote:Sounds like the kind of thing that the BATFE is noted for doing. Its what happens when you create laws that can be "interpreted" into just about anything those doing the interpreting want to make it.
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Post by mdoan300 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:04 pm

The media messed it up as usual...

http://sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/semiforum.cgi?read=113575" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by JeepGuy79 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:07 pm

there you go. that makes sense. Hope he gets cleared up soon.

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Post by Heartland Patriot » Fri Aug 10, 2012 7:25 pm

mdoan300 wrote:The media messed it up as usual...

http://sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/semiforum.cgi?read=113575" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So, no one really knows what this is about in the very least, and folks are now confused about it, thanks to the wonderful efforts of the "free press" to stay on top of things, getting that "scoop"... :mad5
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Post by stealthfightrf17 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:42 am

Heartland Patriot wrote:
mdoan300 wrote:The media messed it up as usual...

http://sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/semiforum.cgi?read=113575" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So, no one really knows what this is about in the very least, and folks are now confused about it, thanks to the wonderful efforts of the "free press" to stay on top of things, getting that "scoop"... :mad5
Funny how the press can say something wrong, and is protected by freedom of speach. Yet, I say something and its slander.

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Post by RSJ » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:38 am

If unsealed documents come up on PACER we should be able to see what was going on.
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Post by PUCKER » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:00 pm

Two follow-up articles on the subject...

"Man Pleads Guilty After Feds Find Stolen Weapons, 405,000 Rounds of Ammo, Lewisville man admits possessing stolen military weapons"
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Lewisv ... 29012.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Lewisville Arsenal Seized; Man Pleads Guilty in Gun Trafficking Case"
http://lewisvilletexan.com/xoops/module ... oryid=3048" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by C-dub » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:30 pm

:cryin :cryin 405,000 rounds of ammo back to the feds. Oh man!!!
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Post by Beiruty » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:39 pm

Stolen Feds' Property: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Post by Heartland Patriot » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:46 pm

PUCKER wrote:Two follow-up articles on the subject...

"Man Pleads Guilty After Feds Find Stolen Weapons, 405,000 Rounds of Ammo, Lewisville man admits possessing stolen military weapons"
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Lewisv ... 29012.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Lewisville Arsenal Seized; Man Pleads Guilty in Gun Trafficking Case"
http://lewisvilletexan.com/xoops/module ... oryid=3048" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Lewisville Texan article at least gave a good breakdown of the stuff the man was busted for...I'd think the stolen SAW barrels were enough, though. He wasn't simply a collector or prepper getting busted, or someone who bought a weapon he didn't realize was stolen. This guy was actually a crook going by the info provided.
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Post by texanjoker » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:32 pm

sjfcontrol wrote:What's a "sealed federal search warrant"? What's the point of sealing it, which I presume means nobody can know what's in it.
Is that so you can change it later to match whatever you find in the search? :headscratch
Sometimes a sealed warrant means somebody snitched and they don't want an identity revealed as there is an ongoing investigation.

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Post by Heartland Patriot » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:25 pm

texanjoker wrote:
sjfcontrol wrote:What's a "sealed federal search warrant"? What's the point of sealing it, which I presume means nobody can know what's in it.
Is that so you can change it later to match whatever you find in the search? :headscratch
Sometimes a sealed warrant means somebody snitched and they don't want an identity revealed as there is an ongoing investigation.
Yeah, I understand that LEOs wouldn't have as many good "busts" if people didn't snitch on each other...but that sealed warrant stuff is EXACTLY the kind of thing that ticks people off. Its not that any of us have a problem with ACTUAL CROOKS like this man getting arrested for stealing government property. But if the BATFE had a pretty good idea the guy had a bunch of stolen machine-gun barrels, then they should have just busted him for the barrels instead of playing all this cloak-and-dagger behind the scenes stuff. If the system is so twisted they feel they HAVE TO play these sorts of "games" to "win", well they need to take a good long look at how it got that way in the first place...mostly because of people of the same political persuasion as they are working for right now.
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