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Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:16 am
by philip964
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/ ... 10871.html

If this is the case I have heard about before, he was treating the ISIS fighter for his wounds when he woke up and began fighting, thus he became an enemy combatant again and the Chief then killed him.

Not sure about the photograph mentioned. But probably never a good idea.

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:44 am
by Grundy1133
either way he was an ISIS member... since when do we punish our own people for dispatching terrorists?

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:12 pm
by bblhd672
Grundy1133 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:44 am
since when do we punish our own people for dispatching terrorists?
Since the American people's elected representatives, senators and presidents became too squishy to engage and defeat an enemy by any means necessary, regardless of what their donors and the media said. That made it easy for squishy flag officers to rise in the ranks and make the military a social experiment instead of an organization to destroy things and kill the enemy.
Thus, the rules of engagement were turned over to lawyers occupying modor on the potomac to make it increasingly difficult for our war fighters to kill the enemy without fear of reprisal by the government that sent them to do so.
I believe the beginning of this phenomenon began in Vietnam.

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:15 pm
by crazy2medic
Grundy1133 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:44 am
either way he was an ISIS member... since when do we punish our own people for dispatching terrorists?
THIS!!!
The military's job is to kill the enemy and break his stuff!

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:20 pm
by howdy
"The defense says Gallagher was turned in by his subordinates because he was too tough on them."

I think this is a weak defense. Seal's are a tight group and whining about something too tough would get you laughed at. I think it all depends on who the subordinates are. If they are in the same team then I would fear for the Chief.

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:51 pm
by flechero
In 2017, Gallagher was ranked as the top SEAL chief and his platoon was ranked as the top SEAL platoon, the website said.
If that's true, I would expect he was extremely tough on the guys.


So he's treating a wounded enemy. I suspect if he wanted him dead, he would not have been treating him. :confused5 Enemy comes to and resumes trying to kill the man treating him and is killed in the struggle. Sounds to me like the right thing happened. I always have a heavy heart when I read about a soldier of ours getting killed. Benefit of the doubt should go to the guy who was rendering aid to a wounded combatant.

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:25 pm
by philip964
flechero wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 1:51 pm
In 2017, Gallagher was ranked as the top SEAL chief and his platoon was ranked as the top SEAL platoon, the website said.
If that's true, I would expect he was extremely tough on the guys.


So he's treating a wounded enemy. I suspect if he wanted him dead, he would not have been treating him. :confused5 Enemy comes to and resumes trying to kill the man treating him and is killed in the struggle. Sounds to me like the right thing happened. I always have a heavy heart when I read about a soldier of ours getting killed. Benefit of the doubt should go to the guy who was rendering aid to a wounded combatant.
It may be that at some point a soldier is required to aid a wounded enemy. So a soldier may be under orders to assist a bleeding enemy once fighting has stopped. Any one know?

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:19 pm
by G26ster
philip964 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:25 pm

It may be that at some point a soldier is required to aid a wounded enemy. So a soldier may be under orders to assist a bleeding enemy once fighting has stopped. Any one know?
Yes

https://people.howstuffworks.com/rules-of-war2.htm

Seems the thread has failed to mention this from the article posted by the OP.

"Gallagher is also charged with aggravated assault for shooting Iraqi civilians."

If the charges are true, this won't be the first time an exellent fighting man went too far.

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:34 pm
by MaduroBU
There must be more to this story. It appears that multiple people who kill terrorists for a living felt that a crime was committed; that by itself raises many red flags.

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:35 pm
by flechero
While true, aren't many/most isis fighters in iraq, iraqi or just "civilians"?? Wasn't that part of the reason it's so hard to root them out? This whole thing could stink or he could be a murderer. Nothing reported makes the case, either way.

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:51 pm
by K.Mooneyham
Sure, because ISIS wears uniforms with distinct markings separating them from "civilians". :roll:

Gimme a break already. The very nature of insurgency and guerilla warfare is that telling who is a bad guy and who is a good guy is extremely complicated. Old guys can shoot (as a lot of us well know), kids can carry grenades, and women can be strapped with an IED...and any variation on those things, as well. I'm sorry, call me names if you must, but I would ALWAYS give the benefit of the doubt to any US service member in a combat situation.

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:52 am
by crazy2medic
K.Mooneyham wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:51 pm
Sure, because ISIS wears uniforms with distinct markings separating them from "civilians". :roll:

Gimme a break already. The very nature of insurgency and guerilla warfare is that telling who is a bad guy and who is a good guy is extremely complicated. Old guys can shoot (as a lot of us well know), kids can carry grenades, and women can be strapped with an IED...and any variation on those things, as well. I'm sorry, call me names if you must, but I would ALWAYS give the benefit of the doubt to any US service member in a combat situation.
Pat the guy on the back and send him home, ISIS are terrorist and get none of the protections afforded a regular soldier by the Geneva convention

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:18 am
by G26ster
crazy2medic wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:52 am
K.Mooneyham wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:51 pm
Sure, because ISIS wears uniforms with distinct markings separating them from "civilians". :roll:

Gimme a break already. The very nature of insurgency and guerilla warfare is that telling who is a bad guy and who is a good guy is extremely complicated. Old guys can shoot (as a lot of us well know), kids can carry grenades, and women can be strapped with an IED...and any variation on those things, as well. I'm sorry, call me names if you must, but I would ALWAYS give the benefit of the doubt to any US service member in a combat situation.
Pat the guy on the back and send him home, ISIS are terrorist and get none of the protections afforded a regular soldier by the Geneva convention
He is being tried under UCMJ, Article 118 (murder), not violation of conventions.

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:40 am
by crazy2medic
He shouldn't be being tried at all!

Re: Iraq:Decorated Navy SEAL to face court martial for murder of ISIS fighter

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:40 am
by crazy2medic
He shouldn't be being tried at all!