New Zealand: 2 separate mass shootings at Mosques kill 50

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New Zealand: 2 separate mass shootings at Mosques kill 50

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Post by philip964 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:27 pm

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8641840/c ... nd-latest/

One of the gunmen live streamed the murder which include children on Facebook.

Story mentions one shooter was a Trump supporting Australian-Brit.

New Zealand is heavily gun restricted, however once a person passes all their requirements semi automatic military styled weapons are available.

Self defense is not a legitimate reason to own a gun in New Zealand.

White supremacist took revenge for the murders in Europe. Wrote a manafesto.
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Post by philip964 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:34 pm

Apparently wanted to affect US 2nd Amendment and start a civil war here.

He wrote:

“Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states," he wrote.

“This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.”

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Post by Beiruty » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:56 pm

Calamity and hardship delivered unto the believers. Rest assured, such terrorist act would backfire. Terrorism is just killing for the sake of killing. Muslims never feared death. We are born to die. Then, resurrected for never ending life.
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Post by K.Mooneyham » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:40 am

Yeah, the mass news media, who LOVE to cause as much division and trouble as they can, are hyping some aspects of the killer's "manifesto". However, he was also into socialism and radical environmentalism. In other words, he's a full-out nutcase. Not one of you folks on here, nor I, nor any other American firearms owner, had anything to do with what that man did. All of his actions were his, and his alone. I refuse to feel even the tiniest bit of guilt, though I do feel disgusted by what he did.

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Post by ELB » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:22 am

So this article notes that at one mosque 10 were killed but the attackers were driven off when an armed congregant started shooting back.

At the other mosque there were no armed members and three times as many were killed.

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Post by AndyC » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:27 am

ELB wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:22 am
an armed congregant started shooting back.
Good!
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Post by bblhd672 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:31 pm

There's no place in a civilized world for savagery like this against any people of any group - religious, racial, political.
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Post by G40yes » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:22 pm

There's no place in a civilized world for savagery like this against any people of any group - religious, racial, political.
We agree wholeheartedly. No place for these terrible terrorist actions, against any group of human beings.
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Post by oljames3 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:52 pm

G40yes wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:22 pm
There's no place in a civilized world for savagery like this against any people of any group - religious, racial, political.
We agree wholeheartedly. No place for these terrible terrorist actions, against any group of human beings.
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Post by The Annoyed Man » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:58 pm

philip964 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:34 pm
Apparently wanted to affect US 2nd Amendment and start a civil war here.

He wrote:

“Finally, to create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political and racial divide within the United states," he wrote.

“This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines.”
He’s too late. We’re already in the trash-talking stages of CW2, and the US is already Balkanized along political, cultural, and racial lines.
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Post by Redneck_Buddha » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:34 pm

So really this is a self-described blatant false-flag by a radical eco-terrorist. Am I sizing this up correctly?


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Post by NotRPB » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:05 pm

philip964 wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:27 pm
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8641840/c ... nd-latest/

One of the gunmen live streamed the murder which include children on Facebook.

Story mentions one shooter was a Trump supporting Australian-Brit.

New Zealand is heavily gun restricted, however once a person passes all their requirements semi automatic military styled weapons are available.

Self defense is not a legitimate reason to own a gun in New Zealand.

White supremacist took revenge for the murders in Europe. Wrote a manafesto.
Some purported "Media" Claims Christchurch Shooter Supported Trump, But Manifesto Says “Dear God No”. MSM only reporting half of shooter's Trump comment.

""Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?" the author ... Dear god no." ."
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new- ... it-n983601

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Why Cops In ... New Zealand Don't Carry Guns
Police there aren't allowed to carry Tasers ?
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-cop ... ns-2014-10
"Tasers in particular are very good in escalating situations but there's rules about when you can carry them. [The association] thinks there should be a change in policy to allow officers to carry them at all times."
Police assaulted more than 40 times a week

It's been interesting watching France
"French police demand right to carry guns"
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/69 ... mic-threat

France proposes to give guns to local police
https://qz.com/1386042/france-is-propos ... cops-guns/

All municipal police in France should be armed with guns, a new report...
https://www.thelocal.fr/20180911/all-po ... carry-guns

The logic of disarming those who protect ... is mind boggling.
Almost as mind boggling as why anyone would want to, for example, delegate their own responsibility for their own well being and safety ... to someone else whom they don't know.


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Post by crazy2medic » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:28 pm

Every Church, Synagogue, and Mosque should have designated Armed People to provide protection to their Congregation!
We have repeatedly seen the results of these shootings, time to provide a sheepdog to protect the flock for when the wolves come prowling
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Post by Liberty » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:06 pm

https://news.sky.com/story/many-more-wo ... n-11666492
"At just that moment, there was one young guy who usually takes care of the mosque and helps with parking and other stuff, so (the man) saw an opportunity and he pounced over to him and grabbed his gun.

"The hero tried to chase and he couldn't find the trigger in the gun... he ran behind him but there were people waiting for him in the car and he fled.
The hero lunged at the shooter. Graber the terrorist gun. Struggled trying to get it fired. Got two shots off as the scum ran off.
MSM won't likely talk about this.

Will he be prosecuted for shooting at an unarmed man?
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Post by philip964 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:18 pm

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/new- ... er-n983906

Prime Minister- gun laws will change.

Shooter had a license to own 5 guns. So some government official signed off on this shooter after an interview.

I’m going to assume the man who fired at the shooter and chased him off, was illegally carrying.

I don’t think you can carry a pistol in NZ legally. Probably only in a locked box taken from your shooting club to another shooting club and only for a competition. Otherwise I think it can only be at your shooting club.

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