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https://news.yahoo.com/black-woman-shot ... 00674.html

Thought they were being robbed. Called 911.

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Wed May 13, 2020 2:51 pm

Kentucky is KY. If the officers announced their presence, I am not sure how the home owner can claim they did not know it was the cops. This one should get interesting. I wonder if the cops had their body cams running. I do worry about the "no knock" warrants for this very reason.

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Post by Paladin » Wed May 13, 2020 3:13 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 2:51 pm
Kentucky is KY. If the officers announced their presence, I am not sure how the home owner can claim they did not know it was the cops. This one should get interesting. I wonder if the cops had their body cams running. I do worry about the "no knock" warrants for this very reason.
The officer's knocking and announcing their presence is a fact in dispute. With the known fact that the officers had a warrant for a bogus address and an apparent bogus sighting of a car... this sounds like an incident similar to what happened in Houston. An officer lied and/or manufactured evidence to get the warrant... and allegedly did a poor job executing the warrant. In any event it was a bad raid with an unnecessary death.
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Post by Grayling813 » Wed May 13, 2020 3:23 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 2:51 pm
Kentucky is KY. If the officers announced their presence, I am not sure how the home owner can claim they did not know it was the cops. This one should get interesting. I wonder if the cops had their body cams running. I do worry about the "no knock" warrants for this very reason.
There are documented incidents of criminals breaking into homes yelling "police!" Guess we need a law against impersonating police officers so criminals won't use that tactic when crashing into your home.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/n ... 108607001/
According to the lawsuit, LMPD executed at least two search warrants — including one at Taylor's home — in the early morning of March 13 in an attempt to locate a suspect named Jamarcus Glover.

But police had already located Glover at his home and detained him before executing the warrant at Taylor's residence, the suit says.

Glover's home is more than 10 miles from Taylor's home on Springfield Drive, records show. He faces drug and gun charges.
and conveniently...
No body camera footage is available because officers in the Criminal Interdiction Division who conducted the search warrant do not wear cameras, LMPD Chief Steve Conrad previously said.
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Post by jason812 » Wed May 13, 2020 3:30 pm

NO MORE NO KNOCK WARRANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Wed May 13, 2020 3:39 pm

jason812 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:30 pm
NO MORE NO KNOCK WARRANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From what I read the police claim they did knock and announce their presence. I thought a "no knock" warrant was when they just kick in the door and rush inside the home without announcing they are there..

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Post by Paladin » Wed May 13, 2020 3:41 pm

PriestTheRunner wrote:
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I have personal experience that cops DO NOT in fact announce themselves, and unless the people start demanding bodycam evidence I doubt that will change anytime soom.
Bodycams should absolutely be required for these warrants.
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Post by jason812 » Wed May 13, 2020 4:20 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:39 pm
jason812 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:30 pm
NO MORE NO KNOCK WARRANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From what I read the police claim they did knock and announce their presence. I thought a "no knock" warrant was when they just kick in the door and rush inside the home without announcing they are there..
Records show that the police investigation was centered around a "trap house" more than 10 miles from Taylor's apartment, and that a judge had approved a "no-knock" search warrant, meaning officers did not have to identify themselves, according to The Courier-Journal.
They had a no knock warrant but knocked anyway? Plus the guy they were looking for was already in custody. Something doesn't sound right to me. Whether they knocked or not, there should be no more no knock warrants.

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Post by 03Lightningrocks » Wed May 13, 2020 5:26 pm

jason812 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 4:20 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:39 pm
jason812 wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:30 pm
NO MORE NO KNOCK WARRANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From what I read the police claim they did knock and announce their presence. I thought a "no knock" warrant was when they just kick in the door and rush inside the home without announcing they are there..
Records show that the police investigation was centered around a "trap house" more than 10 miles from Taylor's apartment, and that a judge had approved a "no-knock" search warrant, meaning officers did not have to identify themselves, according to The Courier-Journal.
They had a no knock warrant but knocked anyway? Plus the guy they were looking for was already in custody. Something doesn't sound right to me. Whether they knocked or not, there should be no more no knock warrants.
Yeah, I did not catch that. I just read something in that article about the police claiming they knocked and heard them inside house. Sure enough, a no knock warrant at work again. I am with you. They should not be allowed to do this.

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Wed May 13, 2020 5:33 pm

Paladin wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 3:13 pm
03Lightningrocks wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 2:51 pm
Kentucky is KY. If the officers announced their presence, I am not sure how the home owner can claim they did not know it was the cops. This one should get interesting. I wonder if the cops had their body cams running. I do worry about the "no knock" warrants for this very reason.
The officer's knocking and announcing their presence is a fact in dispute. With the known fact that the officers had a warrant for a bogus address and an apparent bogus sighting of a car... this sounds like an incident similar to what happened in Houston. An officer lied and/or manufactured evidence to get the warrant... and allegedly did a poor job executing the warrant. In any event it was a bad raid with an unnecessary death.
If the raid took place at 1:30AM, it is quite likely that the residents didn't hear anything the officers may have said while entering. (I don't believe they announced anything, but I may be wrong.) I don't believe for one second that they knocked on the door several times before breaking in. They wouldn't have gotten a "no knock" warrant had they intended to do so.

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Post by C-dub » Wed May 13, 2020 5:52 pm

If this was at 0130 and they were asleep it really doesn't matter whether the officers identified themselves or not. There's no way the sleeping victims would have heard and understood what was going on.

When I was in the Navy there were a few cases of people being awoken and came up swinging. None of them were not held responsible for their actions having been startled awake.
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Post by parabelum » Wed May 13, 2020 6:15 pm

What is the address validation etc. process like “normally”?
What kind of preparatory work is done prior to storming into someone’s home, and is this process well documented and normalized for all agencies? Do pizza delivery companies have better verification practices?
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Post by crazy2medic » Wed May 13, 2020 6:51 pm

parabelum wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 6:15 pm
What is the address validation etc. process like “normally”?
What kind of preparatory work is done prior to storming into someone’s home, and is this process well documented and normalized for all agencies? Do pizza delivery companies have better verification practices?
My experience on our Tactical Team involved weeks of observation, verified drug purchases by under cover officers, in my 8yrs as the team medic we rarely did the 3 a.m.raids, most took place around 11:30 to midnight!
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Post by philip964 » Fri May 15, 2020 11:34 am

https://news.yahoo.com/minute-minute-ha ... 43786.html

Minute by minute account of what happened.

Woman was identified as the target of the warrant. May or may not have received packages at her address for the known drug dealer ten miles away. Works as an EMT, clean record for both.

Later she was identified as the one who wounded the officer and was killed. She was unarmed.

Later her boyfriend was charged with attempted murder of a police officer. He has a CHL.

They knocked with a no knock warrant. Other witnesses did not hear a knock.

Bullets were fired blindly through curtained windows from the outside. Bullets went into other apartments. Their report says they used deadly force to protect themselves and others from harm.

No body cams. In plain clothes.

Reminds me a lot of Houston except the races are presumably reversed.


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Post by philip964 » Wed May 20, 2020 6:11 pm

https://news.yahoo.com/no-knock-searche ... 00844.html

USA Today article critical of no knock raids.

Good article. Not often I say that recently about USA Today.

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