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Tuesday, May 10, 2011
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 110510.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

********** GENERAL STATE CALENDAR **********
HOUSE BILLS
SECOND READING

HB 25 Guillen / Flynn / Pena
Relating to the carrying of certain weapons in a watercraft.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... &Bill=HB25" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While I've been following the 'Parking Lot' and 'Campus Carry' bills closely, I haven't paid much attention to this one (I don't have a boat). I just was wondering, how does this apply to boats on a lake owned by the COE?

Any pro-gun bill is a good bill, as long as there are no anti- amendments attached to it.

I think this just expands the language of the laws to include watercraft.

What is COE?

Edit: Never mind, I got it.

whodat1 wrote:While I've been following the 'Parking Lot' and 'Campus Carry' bills closely, I haven't paid much attention to this one (I don't have a boat). I just was wondering, how does this apply to boats on a lake owned by the COE?

Can't carry on COE lakes/property; no matter what Texas law says ... UNLESS you get written permission from the District Commander (like asking the U.T. President for the same thing ... good luck with that)

So, for example ... in addition to CHLs carrying in canoes/kayaks going down the San Gabriel river (Brazos River Authority) and having someone in a car meet them twice at each lake to have them drive the gun around the lake and meet on the other end ... there will also be unlicensed "MPA types" in canoes/kayaks/boats/jetskis .... meeting cars at the upper ends of COE lakes, to have them drive the gun around the lake and meet on the other end .... so they can be armed on Brazos River Authority waters .... until they reach the next lake where ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Gabrie ... 28Texas%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; they'll need someone to meet them at the upper end of the COE lake to get their gun, drive to the other end to meet them so they can re-arm and continue down the river

Texas laws aren't recognized by the USACOE; in a nutshell, you can't carry on COE property/lakes... I'm sure all the MPA carriers know not to have a gun in the car on their parking lots So of course all boaters/canoeists/kayakers will know to have someone "portage" their gun around the COE lakes so they can put them back in the boat on the other end .... all the while keeping them concealed while transferring but

"directly en route to a motor vehicle

or watercraft"
Should cover the transfer from car to boat and boat to car for unlicensed people ... I hope.
If it's not in plain view ...
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00025H.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

whodat1 wrote:While I've been following the 'Parking Lot' and 'Campus Carry' bills closely, I haven't paid much attention to this one (I don't have a boat). I just was wondering, how does this apply to boats on a lake owned by the COE?

If you have a CHL, this won't change anything. Our rights are still infringed by COE.

Actually, I am not sure this will not change things. The legal question would be who owns the water in the lake. I have never really studied this area of law, but I have always understood that the state owns all of the navigable rivers and streams in Texas. Putting the dam across the stream to create the lake may or may not change that.

srothstein wrote:Actually, I am not sure this will not change things. The legal question would be who owns the water in the lake. I have never really studied this area of law, but I have always understood that the state owns all of the navigable rivers and streams in Texas. Putting the dam across the stream to create the lake may or may not change that.

In that case, wouldn't a CHL issued by the state of Texas be good enough now?

If I am correct about the water being owned by the state under the navigable streams claim, then a CHL is good enough right now and would not be needed if this bill passes. It would make the boat on the water just like the car on the highway is now.

But it would only work for people entering the lake through some legal method. It would not change the COE owned park land around the lake. I was thinking of the post about having a car meet you and drive the pistol around the lake when I wrote the first post.

Riparian rights in Texas is an area full of quirks though.
I know what you're saying about navigable waters etc.
Lots of kayakers studied it more than I, ... I quit at areas concerning Spanish land grants which change who owns riverbeds, but only on certain creeks, etc

Anyway, the USACE thinks they own it http://swf67.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/geor ... /index.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://swf67.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/geor ... /index.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



http://swf67.swf-wc.usace.army.mil/georgetown/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://corpslakes.usace.army.mil/visito ... Id=M275358" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And they've e-mailed me maps of "their water"

I"ve pestered them for years about them needing to paint a boundary line across the water at the upper ends of their lakes so we don't accidentally float over the line.

They are unsure where their boundaries are on land AND in the water, they say their maps are approximate.

SCR 32

Senate now talking about

Federal Govt authority on State waters

resolution is adopted

SCR 32 Seliger

Expressing opposition to federal regulation of intrastate water resources.

Committee report printed and distributed 02:17 PM, 05/04/11
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... l=SCR00032" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Analysis
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 00032I.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Guns on Boats - Senate
HB 25

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... &Bill=HB25" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
S Recommended for local & uncontested calendar 05/21/2011
S Reported favorably w/o amendments 05/21/2011

I think Lt. Gov. Dewhurst laughed @ my tweet

_PatJohnson_ Pat Johnson
#HB25 #BoatsonCampus ? just not in campus buildings. Recommended 4 Senate Local/consent calendar #KeepCampusKayaksOutdoors #ConcealedKayaks

Then ... Local calendar deadline moved from 5pm to 7 pm

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/Calendar ... yDate.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Senate Local and Uncontested Bills

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 110525.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LOCAL AND UNCONTESTED BILLS

The following bills have been certified for placement on the Local & Uncontested Calendar to be held Wednesday, May 25, 2011 at 9:00 AM.

HB 25 (LC) Guillen/ Flynn/ Pena/ Gonzales, Veronica/ White SP: Patrick
Relating to the carrying of certain weapons in a watercraft.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ll=HB00025" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HB 2560 (LC) Sheffield/ Driver/ Legler/ et al. SP: Estes
Relating to transporting a foster child in a vehicle where a handgun is in the possession of a foster parent licensed to carry a concealed handgun.
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ll=HB02560" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AFTER IT PASSES ... Think I'll E-mail legislators about HB25, which is on Local uncontested Calendar today, so it should easily pass.

I might ask if I store a kayak in my dorm room in case of Flooding or robbery ...... I wouldn't have to conceal the whole kayak would I?

Darn heavy holster to lug around ... 35 pounds is about the lightest kayak

just joking ....I know ... I'd still have to leave kayak with gun outside buildings, like a car ...



Lake Austin Anchored Kayakers fishing ALREADY fear UT Austin's rowing team they are bad drivers (always driving fast in reverse) with an attitude... now they might have guns, and no CHL training ....

RPB wrote:just joking ....I know ... I'd still have to leave kayak with gun outside buildings, like a car ...

Yeah, but unfortunately I don't think a kayak counts for the purpose of the parking lot bill, since it specifies motor vehicles.