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The Annoyed Man wrote:Back when CHL first passed, there was no 30.06 codicil, and so even if some business owner were anti-gun, he would not have been read up on being able to keep people out with a 30.06 sign. But, 30.06 signs have been in existence for a LONG time now, and the one thing that has kept more of them from being posted is simply that if our guns are out of sight, they are out of the business-owner's mind.

However, things are more politically polarized than ever these days, and the debates over open carry did not occur in a vaccum....... including details such as 30.07 signage since it is part of the law that was passed, unlike with original CHL law and 30.06. I wonder what impact that is going to have on the posting of signage. Will people who are motivated to post 30.07 signs also go the extra trouble to post 30.06 if they haven't already? Will they do nothing until the first time someone carries openly into their business? Will they carry on as before and do nothing?

Inquiring minds want to know. I'm guessing that there will be an initial jump in the rate at which sign postings get reported on texas3006.com (has Russell already claimed texas3007.com?), after which things will calm down. The reason I think this is that the sign postings will likely be in response to new open carriers who are doing it for the novelty of it, and that when the novelty wears off and they decide to prefer (not "eliminate", I mean prefer) CC over OC, they will OC less frequently, resulting in less frequent postings.

However, the "damage" will have been done as, once the signs have been posted, they are not likely to be taken down ever again. So the question that interests me is to what extent business owners will react this way.
Let me throw by ya'll and see what you think.

The number of Texas CHL holders as of Dec 31, 2014 is 825,957
https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/r ... tr2014.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Texas demographics as of July 1, 2014: http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045214/48,00" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Total population 26,956,958
26.6% are under 18yr
11.2% are 65yr and older


26,956,958 x .266 = 7,170,550
26,956,958 x .112 = 3,019,180

26,956,958 - 7,170,550 - 3,019,180 = 16,767,200 Texas' population of primary shoppers.

16,767,200 / 825,957 = `20.


rough estimate but.... 1 in 20 Texans of primary shopping age are licensed to carry. And the fastest growing demographic of those licensed gun owners are women.
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/18/v ... nt-page-1/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/ ... 103316.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's to be seen how many businesses will turn them away. But I've said this before. IMO it'll be women openly carrying that will normalize the practice among the general population more so than men.
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So on Jan 1 when I walk into IKEA I just need to tuck in my shirt unless they post a 30.07 :evil2:
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
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CJD wrote:Hopefully texas3006.com will just be modified to include 30.07, rather than having to go to 2 sites.
I think I saw in another thread this was his intention but still wasn't sure how he would implement the changes. This was a while back so I may be incorrect.
Not necessary to "modify" the site. All that is required is for him to own the domain. Then he can alias it to the original domain. Then, it won't matter whether your browser's address bar is displaying texas3006.com or texas3007.com, you will be looking at the same original website - texas3006.com.

I just did a "who is" search on "texas3007.com" and Russell did register it on March 18th of this year. If it were me, that is how I would handle it (and as a website designer, I do this often for my clients as well as for the domains that I own myself).
Correct. My quote was how he was going to implement the change so he could note which of the signs were posted, separate comments for each, searching for just 30.07 or 30.06, etc. I was under the assumption that he was going to redirect 30.07 to the current site.
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suthdj wrote:So on Jan 1 when I walk into IKEA I just need to tuck in my shirt unless they post a 30.07 :evil2:
Well, there is the fact that it will be obvious that you're carrying, so assuming Ikea doesn't want anyone carrying in their stores, no matter the method, then all that will be required is verbal notification telling you to leave.
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Tracker wrote: . . . rough estimate but.... 1 in 20 Texans of primary shopping age are licensed to carry. And the fastest growing demographic of those licensed gun owners are women.
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/18/v ... nt-page-1/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/ ... 103316.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's to be seen how many businesses will turn them away. But I've said this before. IMO it'll be women openly carrying that will normalize the practice among the general population more so than men.

Intriguing, although not every CHL owner is in what you've categorized as the 'primary shopper' age group. There are quite a few over 65, I'm pretty sure. Also, not every CHL owner carries regularly. My wife has agreed to get her license, but I doubt that she'll carry. I'll work on that, but it may never happen. I suspect she's not alone. She will almost certainly never openly carry.

Still, next year should be interesting. I'm mainly hoping that the OCT/OCTC types don't hose things up for everyone else.
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joelamosobadiah wrote:
CJD wrote:Hopefully texas3006.com will just be modified to include 30.07, rather than having to go to 2 sites.
I think I saw in another thread this was his intention but still wasn't sure how he would implement the changes. This was a while back so I may be incorrect.
Buy the name for $10 and redirect it to the old site. Problem solved.

Edit: Upon checking, he already has bought the name, and he has already redirected, so texas3007.com works now.
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suthdj wrote:So on Jan 1 when I walk into IKEA I just need to tuck in my shirt unless they post a 30.07 :evil2:
From the little devil smilie, I'm pretty sure you're aware of your odds of getting oral notification or a police escort out of the building if you did OC past the obsolete 30.06 sign. IKEA is fairly well know for being anti-gun, so it wouldn't surprise me if they've already got their 30.07 signs ordered.
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C-dub wrote:
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Rrash wrote:30.06 will apply specifically to concealed. The wording of 30.06 will be changed to reflect concealed carry. 30.07 will apply specifically to open. On Jan 1,2016, all current 30.06 signs will be invalid and will need to be replaced with the updated 30.06 that specifies concealed carry.
30.06 did not change, so existing signs on private property will continue to be enforceable and will continue to be applicable to concealed carry. HB910 provides for a new 30.07 sign that would be applicable to open carry. So property owners could opt to change out their 30.06 for 30.07 or add 30.07 to their already posted 30.06.
30.06 will change. Three new words have been inserted and five words will be struck out.
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der Teufel wrote:
Tracker wrote: . . . rough estimate but.... 1 in 20 Texans of primary shopping age are licensed to carry. And the fastest growing demographic of those licensed gun owners are women.
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/18/v ... nt-page-1/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/ ... 103316.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's to be seen how many businesses will turn them away. But I've said this before. IMO it'll be women openly carrying that will normalize the practice among the general population more so than men.

Intriguing, although not every CHL owner is in what you've categorized as the 'primary shopper' age group. There are quite a few over 65, I'm pretty sure. Also, not every CHL owner carries regularly. My wife has agreed to get her license, but I doubt that she'll carry. I'll work on that, but it may never happen. I suspect she's not alone. She will almost certainly never openly carry.

Still, next year should be interesting. I'm mainly hoping that the OCT/OCTC types don't hose things up for everyone else.
Yeah I didn't think about that in my division. However, I am including 18-20 so I don't think the 1 in 20 for that 21-65 is too far off.

My wife got her CHL because our son wanted her to get it with him after he turned 21. My wife had only recently learned that she likes shooting. She was scared to death of guns. My son is in college but decided not to take his gun with him. Probably because :cheers2:. Actually, I don't think he wants his roommates to have access to it and he doesn't want to leave it in his car. His sister carries regularly. But neither my wife and son have every carried, as she mostly likes target shooting.
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TexasCajun wrote:
C-dub wrote:
TexasCajun wrote:
Rrash wrote:30.06 will apply specifically to concealed. The wording of 30.06 will be changed to reflect concealed carry. 30.07 will apply specifically to open. On Jan 1,2016, all current 30.06 signs will be invalid and will need to be replaced with the updated 30.06 that specifies concealed carry.
30.06 did not change, so existing signs on private property will continue to be enforceable and will continue to be applicable to concealed carry. HB910 provides for a new 30.07 sign that would be applicable to open carry. So property owners could opt to change out their 30.06 for 30.07 or add 30.07 to their already posted 30.06.
30.06 will change. Three new words have been inserted and five words will be struck out.
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My apologies. I didn't realize that 30.06 had changed. I stand corrected.
No worries. It's all new and going to take some time to get used to the new laws.
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So, correct me if I am wrong

on Jan 1, 2016 New 30.06 sign will be needed , one in English and one in Spanish at a single location at a main entrance, 1" block letters, etc.

A 30.07 sign, exact wording, etc. at each entrance.

Possible any combination of above although I doubt they would post a 30.06 but not a 30.07. Stores are going to need a lot of sign space to post all of these things.
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rotor wrote:So, correct me if I am wrong

on Jan 1, 2016 New 30.06 sign will be needed , one in English and one in Spanish at a single location at a main entrance, 1" block letters, etc.

A 30.07 sign, exact wording, etc. at each entrance.

Possible any combination of above although I doubt they would post a 30.06 but not a 30.07. Stores are going to need a lot of sign space to post all of these things.
Where did "single location at a main entrance" come from? I haven't seen that wording. 30.06 does not require separate signs with one in Spanish and one in English. It does require the wording in both English and Spanish but typically that is all on one sign.
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jmra wrote:
rotor wrote:So, correct me if I am wrong

on Jan 1, 2016 New 30.06 sign will be needed , one in English and one in Spanish at a single location at a main entrance, 1" block letters, etc.

A 30.07 sign, exact wording, etc. at each entrance.

Possible any combination of above although I doubt they would post a 30.06 but not a 30.07. Stores are going to need a lot of sign space to post all of these things.
Where did "single location at a main entrance" come from? I haven't seen that wording. 30.06 does not require separate signs with one in Spanish and one in English. It does require the wording in both English and Spanish but typically that is all on one sign.
That's why I said correct me if I am wrong. 30.06 sign (one sign in English and Spanish combined) but only required at a single location at main entrance as far as I know. There is no requirement to post 30.06 at every entrance is there? With 30.07 there is. Yes?
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rotor wrote:
jmra wrote:
rotor wrote:So, correct me if I am wrong

on Jan 1, 2016 New 30.06 sign will be needed , one in English and one in Spanish at a single location at a main entrance, 1" block letters, etc.

A 30.07 sign, exact wording, etc. at each entrance.

Possible any combination of above although I doubt they would post a 30.06 but not a 30.07. Stores are going to need a lot of sign space to post all of these things.
Where did "single location at a main entrance" come from? I haven't seen that wording. 30.06 does not require separate signs with one in Spanish and one in English. It does require the wording in both English and Spanish but typically that is all on one sign.
That's why I said correct me if I am wrong. 30.06 sign (one sign in English and Spanish combined) but only required at a single location at main entrance as far as I know. There is no requirement to post 30.06 at every entrance is there? With 30.07 there is. Yes?
The wording for posting 30.06 is "displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public". That is not nearly the same as "at a single location at main entrance". Unless everyone is required to use the main entrance that single posting may not meet the requirement to serve notice to those who do not use the main entrance. It may, but it may not.
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rotor wrote:
jmra wrote:
rotor wrote:So, correct me if I am wrong

on Jan 1, 2016 New 30.06 sign will be needed , one in English and one in Spanish at a single location at a main entrance, 1" block letters, etc.

A 30.07 sign, exact wording, etc. at each entrance.

Possible any combination of above although I doubt they would post a 30.06 but not a 30.07. Stores are going to need a lot of sign space to post all of these things.
Where did "single location at a main entrance" come from? I haven't seen that wording. 30.06 does not require separate signs with one in Spanish and one in English. It does require the wording in both English and Spanish but typically that is all on one sign.
That's why I said correct me if I am wrong. 30.06 sign (one sign in English and Spanish combined) but only required at a single location at main entrance as far as I know. There is no requirement to post 30.06 at every entrance is there? With 30.07 there is. Yes?
The current or new 30.06 sign does not even have to be at an entrance. It only has to be "displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public."
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