Ruark wrote:I think it goes without saying that some LEOs are going to perform excessively invasive investigatory stops. Say, instead of just glancing at your CHL and saying "have a nice day," the LEO takes your gun ("for your own safety, sir"), goes an sits in his car for 10 minutes checking for warrants, several other LEOs arrive for backup, your gun is unloaded and the shells scattered on the ground, a crowd gathers, etc. All this has happened to people lawfully carrying in other states.
We've often read on here that in such a case, a complaint should be filed, maybe a lawsuit. But that's easier said than done; there are many of us who can't afford to pay some lawyer $350 an hour to sue a city government. What other avenues of action could be taken, given that nobody wants to take the case pro bono? It might be useful to know just what the options are.
I've read the other comments to your post in this thread. Hopefully, the LE agencies will practice their due diligence during training and not focus on the dropped amendment, but consider that the 4th and 5th amendments still apply to their interactions with citizens.
The 4th amendment was not discarded when the Dutton amendment was removed; hopefully, Police Department legal counsel will remind officers of that very important fact.
In the beginning there likely will be growing pains from both sides. I think keeping calm and logical will defuse most situations.
Complaining to the department through their established process would be the first logical step if a stop is considered to be harassment. Beyond that you have legal options.
One possible option is to ask the ACLU to review your information to see if they will work with you. I'm not a big fan of the ACLU, however if they are an organization for "American Civil Liberties", then we could see if they are as high-minded on the real front as they are on their name.
The stops are not a 2nd amendment issue, the stops seem to me to be a 4th amendment issue. Well within the ACLU's wheelhouse based on their other cases I've heard about. Let's see how diligent they are about ALL civil rights.
I'm not a lawyer and this ain't legal advice...just me mumbling about what I think.
Edit: Mr. Cotton has some very spot-on comments in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=94&t=77785
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This is not legal advice.
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