TexasCHLforum.com

rtschl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:20 pm

parabelum wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:06 am If this passes, what do you do with your current LTC? Frame it? I guess it is then useful in the reciprocity situation.
Would licensing then be optional? If there is no licensing, then you’d lose reciprocity unless you got one from another State, like FL or UT?

Agreed as some states with reciprocity agreements require a LTC (or their equivalent) from your state of residence.

Interesting other question is what about the Federal Gun Free Zone Act, which in part states:
"if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State"

So if someones does not have an LTC if Constitutional carry passes, is there no carrying within 1000 yards of a school?

rtschl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:20 pm

parabelum wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:06 am If this passes, what do you do with your current LTC? Frame it? I guess it is then useful in the reciprocity situation.
Would licensing then be optional? If there is no licensing, then you’d lose reciprocity unless you got one from another State, like FL or UT?

Agreed as some states with reciprocity agreements require a LTC (or their equivalent) from your state of residence.

Interesting other question is what about the Federal Gun Free Zone Act, which in part states:
"if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State"

So without an LTC if Constitutional carry passes, is there no carrying within 1000 yards of a school?

chasfm11 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:14 am https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/04/15/tex ... arry-bill/

With this, Constitutional Carry appears much closer to reality. While it is not one of Lt.Gov. Patrick's legislative priorities, I cannot see him as being the one who doesn't get it past the Senate and I have a lot more problem imagining Gov. Abbott not signing it.

So back to the questions about what does it mean for LTC. I know that it doesn't mean that LTC in Texas goes away. But I'm trying to figure out how it handles he 30.06 question and it looks like it does it by redefining license holder. Here is what I'm looking at
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/b ... navpanes=0

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:48 am This may have already been answered but I can't find it. If a non licensed person is open carrying but is wearing a jacket that covers it, is this considered concealed? How would this person address this issue in the winter? Wear it over the jacket?

HB 1927 - 46.02 (a-5) wrote:A person commits an offense if the person carries a handgun and intentionally displays the handgun in plain view of another person in a public place. It is an exception to the application of this subsection that the handgun was partially or wholly visible but was carried in a holster.

ELB wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:57 pm The gun free school zone act contains an exception for law-enforcement official Acting in his official capacity. I would be willing to bet my pocket change there has never ever been an arrest, never mind trial and conviction, of a law enforcement officer current through a school zone While off duty. All the arrests and convictions I’ve read about that made it to the appellate level have all been add on charges because the individual was caught doing something else majorly illegal, usually involving drugs and fleeing the police.

As for constitutionally carrying Joe Citizen, while it would probably be illegal for him to drive through a school zone, That is a federal law and the trend in the states that allow constitutional carry is to not enforce federal nuisance gun laws. I don’t think this is going to be a major threat until Joe gets enough for storm troopers to go guard each school zone.

The Leg still has a chance to fix this, they could statutorily declare each citizen is licensed by the state By virtue of being a resident of Texas and a non-prohibited person, And that any Identification accepted as sufficient for voting purposes would also serve as a license to carry.

Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:17 am

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:48 am This may have already been answered but I can't find it. If a non licensed person is open carrying but is wearing a jacket that covers it, is this considered concealed? How would this person address this issue in the winter? Wear it over the jacket?

Either you have a license or you don't and either you can see the handgun or you can't. If you can see the handgun it is being openly carried, if you can't see the handgun, it is concealed.

Per my reading of the HB 1927, open carry applies to both licensed and unlicensed individuals with the addition of 46.02 (a-5)

HB 1927 - 46.02 (a-5) wrote:A person commits an offense if the person carries a handgun and intentionally displays the handgun in plain view of another person in a public place. It is an exception to the application of this subsection that the handgun was partially or wholly visible but was carried in a holster.

In other words, holstered handguns are OK. Un-holstered in public is an offense.

jerry_r60 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:31 am The solution of saying everyone is licenses may end reciprocity for the TX license. I recall part of the reciprocity concept in several states is that the licensing requirements of a reciprocal state is similar to their own. I'm not familiar what's been done with other states that have constitutional carry.

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:00 am

Papa_Tiger wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:17 am

03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:48 am This may have already been answered but I can't find it. If a non licensed person is open carrying but is wearing a jacket that covers it, is this considered concealed? How would this person address this issue in the winter? Wear it over the jacket?

Either you have a license or you don't and either you can see the handgun or you can't. If you can see the handgun it is being openly carried, if you can't see the handgun, it is concealed.

Per my reading of the HB 1927, open carry applies to both licensed and unlicensed individuals with the addition of 46.02 (a-5)

HB 1927 - 46.02 (a-5) wrote:A person commits an offense if the person carries a handgun and intentionally displays the handgun in plain view of another person in a public place. It is an exception to the application of this subsection that the handgun was partially or wholly visible but was carried in a holster.

In other words, holstered handguns are OK. Un-holstered in public is an offense.

I'm sorry. I was not real clear with my question. I was referring to what would be the rule if constitutional carry is passed. I am thinking a person open carrying with no LTC would be breaking the constitutional carry provision by having a jacket on that is covering his firearm.

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:09 am

jerry_r60 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:31 am The solution of saying everyone is licenses may end reciprocity for the TX license. I recall part of the reciprocity concept in several states is that the licensing requirements of a reciprocal state is similar to their own. I'm not familiar what's been done with other states that have constitutional carry.

The TX license process will still exist. Reciprocity will not change.
Unlicensed carriers will not enjoy reciprocity when traveling out of Texas, licensed carriers reciprocal privileges will remain the same.

jerry_r60 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:31 am
The solution of saying everyone is licenses may end reciprocity for the TX license. I recall part of the reciprocity concept in several states is that the licensing requirements of a reciprocal state is similar to their own. I'm not familiar what's been done with other states that have constitutional carry.