HB 2949 - Expedited Special License for Certain At-Risk Persons

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HB 2949 - Expedited Special License for Certain At-Risk Persons

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Post by Papa_Tiger » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:18 am

https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/Hi ... ill=HB2949

Creates a method for expediting approval (10 days max) of a special LTC for certain persons who are at an increased risk of becoming victims of violence.

License is specially marked to show the person is at-risk and at-risk status must be renewed every year.

If at-risk status is removed, the licensee will receive a regular replacement license at no cost to the licensee.

Special license adds a defense to prosecution for carrying in 51% locations, sporting events, hospitals, amusement parks and churches even if posted and can ignore all 30.06/7 signs (TPC 46.02/3 do not apply to a person with an at-risk license).


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Post by José Shalom » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:25 am

No! If they want to carry a handgun they can (a) take the class, pass the tests, pass a background check, and have the same carry restrictions as the rest of us, (b) get the law changed so the right to keep and bear arms in Texas is not infringed, or (c) move to a state where the right to keep and bear arms is not infringed.

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Post by Redneck_Buddha » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:29 am

I would say any citizen of Houston or Dallas is at risk. What about us?


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Post by montgomery » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:35 am

José Shalom wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:25 am
No! If they want to carry a handgun they can (a) take the class, pass the tests, pass a background check, and have the same carry restrictions as the rest of us, (b) get the law changed so the right to keep and bear arms in Texas is not infringed, or (c) move to a state where the right to keep and bear arms is not infringed.

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:iagree: Law abiding taxpayers are equally at risk from violent criminal actors in any and all "gun free zones". All for one and one for all.

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Post by Noggin » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:52 am

I presume that these special at risk licence people will include all State and local politicians and officials (because their jobs make them a target :roll: ). Sounds like another way for a chosen elite to reinforce their privilege with a special licence which will end up being "Shall Issue" for them but almost certainly "May Issue" for anyone else.
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Post by RHenriksen » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:08 am

Yeah... I'm dubious of how this bill would wind up being misused
I'll quit carrying a gun when they make murder and armed robbery illegal

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Post by Charles L. Cotton » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:09 pm

montgomery wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:35 am
José Shalom wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:25 am
No! If they want to carry a handgun they can (a) take the class, pass the tests, pass a background check, and have the same carry restrictions as the rest of us, (b) get the law changed so the right to keep and bear arms in Texas is not infringed, or (c) move to a state where the right to keep and bear arms is not infringed.

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:iagree: Law abiding taxpayers are equally at risk from violent criminal actors in any and all "gun free zones". All for one and one for all.
Did you read the Bill? I doubt you would feel this way if your daughter's husband or boyfriend beat the crap out of her and promised to kill her when she filed charges.

I too don't like elitist bills, but this Bill hardly fall into this category.

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Post by TomV » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:12 pm

I just skimmed the bill, but I didn't see where the person would be exempt from any of the required steps. It looks to me like they just get put at the front of the line. It also pretty much spells out what it takes to get designated at risk.

So it makes me wonder, who else actually read the bill before commenting?
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Post by joe817 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:46 pm

TomV wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:12 pm
I just skimmed the bill, but I didn't see where the person would be exempt from any of the required steps. It looks to me like they just get put at the front of the line. It also pretty much spells out what it takes to get designated at risk.

So it makes me wonder, who else actually read the bill before commenting?
:iagree: I read through the bill and came to the same conclusion.
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Post by thatguyoverthere » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:20 pm

TomV wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:12 pm
I just skimmed the bill, but I didn't see where the person would be exempt from any of the required steps. It looks to me like they just get put at the front of the line. It also pretty much spells out what it takes to get designated at risk.

So it makes me wonder, who else actually read the bill before commenting?
Looks like its in bill section 4, new subparagraph (n).


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Post by montgomery » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:37 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:09 pm
montgomery wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:35 am
José Shalom wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:25 am
No! If they want to carry a handgun they can (a) take the class, pass the tests, pass a background check, and have the same carry restrictions as the rest of us, (b) get the law changed so the right to keep and bear arms in Texas is not infringed, or (c) move to a state where the right to keep and bear arms is not infringed.

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:iagree: Law abiding taxpayers are equally at risk from violent criminal actors in any and all "gun free zones". All for one and one for all.
Did you read the Bill? I doubt you would feel this way if your daughter's husband or boyfriend beat the crap out of her and promised to kill her when she filed charges.

I too don't like elitist bills, but this Bill hardly fall into this category.

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Yes. All 9 pages. Three times. Seeings how my daughter was murdered by a stranger who stole a gun out of some car in a cul-de-sac, I am pretty sure this kind of law would not have changed the outcome. Not withstanding my personal circumstances, one of the items that may be exploited or abused is Sec. 411.184 (b)(2)(c) on page 4. I also see potential abuse and enforcement / ID issues with Sec. 46.035(n) amendment described on page 6 - which takes me back to my original statement about all for one and one for all. But I do see the valid concern in your remarks and agree this Bill does not rise to elitist status.


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Post by apostate » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:13 pm

You know, after they repeal 46.035 and give all LTC the same 46.03 exemption as LEO, I would fully support the legislature allowing applicants with a specific credible threat go to the front of the line ahead of earlier applicants facing general threats.


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Post by montgomery » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:18 pm

apostate wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:13 pm
You know, after they repeal 46.035 and give all LTC the same 46.03 exemption as LEO, I would fully support the legislature allowing applicants with a specific credible threat go to the front of the line ahead of earlier applicants facing general threats.
:iagree: interesting to see how the intent of this Bill survives if HB357 is passed.


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Post by Papa_Tiger » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:07 pm

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:09 pm
montgomery wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:35 am
José Shalom wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:25 am
No! If they want to carry a handgun they can (a) take the class, pass the tests, pass a background check, and have the same carry restrictions as the rest of us, (b) get the law changed so the right to keep and bear arms in Texas is not infringed, or (c) move to a state where the right to keep and bear arms is not infringed.

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:iagree: Law abiding taxpayers are equally at risk from violent criminal actors in any and all "gun free zones". All for one and one for all.
Did you read the Bill? I doubt you would feel this way if your daughter's husband or boyfriend beat the crap out of her and promised to kill her when she filed charges.

I too don't like elitist bills, but this Bill hardly fall into this category.

Chas.
The issue I have with this is the special carry privileges. No problems with going through the process and getting placed in the front of the line and getting your LTC expedited to you if you meet the criteria. Creating a special class of LTC that is not available to ALL law abiding Texans that exempts the carrier from 46.02, 46.03 and providing a defense to prosecution for several places in 46.035 makes this an elitist bill.


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Post by RicoTX » Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:13 pm

Papa_Tiger wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 5:07 pm
The issue I have with this is the special carry privileges. No problems with going through the process and getting placed in the front of the line and getting your LTC expedited to you if you meet the criteria. Creating a special class of LTC that is not available to ALL law abiding Texans that exempts the carrier from 46.02, 46.03 and providing a defense to prosecution for several places in 46.035 makes this an elitist bill.
I agree. I have no issue with an expedited process for those in need, but I do have an issue with the terms and restrictions of that license being different. As was stated, how about we can carry anywhere and then no special license would be needed.
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