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As jimd1981 noted, DPS allows students three attempts to qualify. I've only had four students not pass on the first attempt. Three passed on the second and the fourth passed on the third attempt. I don't charge them for multiple attempts. The three who passed on the second attempt simply shot with another relay. (Luckily, they initially shot with the first relay.) The lady who needed three tries shot with me after the class was over for everyone else.
Pardon me asking on a dated thread - but for the life of me I cannot verify the time limit from first attempt to third attempt to pass written and / or shooting. Seems to me if a student passes written but fails shooting, they have one year to pass before the written portion is void. Is this correct? I had 2 students last week that passed the written portion but could not pass the shooting portion.
I had a situation where a student had broken their arm and took the classroom portion, knowing the shooting proficiency would be delayed by a few weeks. Things did not work out and the student was not able to shoot for almost 8 months due to surgery on arm. I did call DPS and was told the time starts on the classroom portion and technically they had up to two years to take the proficiency part before the classroom portion expired. Note: This was over 4 years ago, I have not read any changes to this procedure, except when the DPS changed the LTC !00 was only good for 1 year, but they changed back to 2 years in a short amount of time.
Thank you ... I cannot find a source to verify the one or two year limit ...
Here is the link to the Admin Rules:
https://texreg.sos.state.tx.us/public/r ... ch=6&rl=14
Subsection (c) says the student has 3 opportunities to pass both the written & proficiency exams, within a 12- month period.
Subsection (d) says the instructor must submit ALL failures. If it is the third (hence final failure, that must also be annotated).
Subsection (f) says the LTC-100 is only valid for 1 year. (The published rule contradicts what some have said the RSD has told them (and I don't discount that they were told that), but until the change is posted I will go with what is on the official website).
c) A handgun license applicant will have three opportunities to pass the written examination and the proficiency examination within a 12 month period.
(d) The qualified handgun instructor or approved online course provider must submit all examination failures to the department on the class completion notification. The notification must indicate if the failure occurred after the handgun license applicant had been given three opportunities to pass the examinations.
(f) All certificates of training (LTC-100 or LTC-101) are valid for one year from the date of issuance. Any certificate of training that is required in conjunction with an application must be valid on the date the completed application is submitted to the department.
Just confirming we'd submit a separate LTC-8 for each attempt, pass or fail?
I haven't had it come up yet but I know of some local ranges that offer the shooting qualification only. How would you know if this is their 1st, 2nd or 3rd attempt (other than just asking I suppose)? Or do you just focus on their time with you and let DPS (hopefully) catch it on their end?
I've only had one student fail the proficiency test, & for that one I submitted the LTC-8 showing 'Pass' in the Classroom column, and 'Fail' in the Proficiency column. That particular student didn't desire to re-attempt on the same day, & never took my offer to schedule for another day.
The Admin Code doesn't specify if a separate LTC-8 is required for each 'attempt', only that failures must be reported on the LTC-8. So, using the above student as an example, if they had retested on the same day & failed again (or passed for that matter), I would think just adding a separate entry would suffice (ie,
Line 1: Doe, John. Passed Classroom. Failed Proficiency
Line 2: Doe, John. Failed Proficiency
Line 3: Doe, John. Failed Proficiency (Third attempt)
Or, if you submitted a separate LTC-8 for each, I don't think that would technically be incorrect. If the attempts were on different dates, then of course each would need to be reported on their own LTC-8's
I'll let Infoman chime in on how the DPS actually sorts thru it on their end, but my assumption is that they track by LTC-8's how many attempts an applicant has made.