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LTC License Validation Website

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Post by kg5ie » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:00 pm

Anyone else hearing about a new website/ phone line set up by RSD for FFLs to validate LTC licensees? Supposed to prevent firearm sales to someone with an invalid LTC.
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Post by Grayling813 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:25 pm

Received an email from TSRA about it.

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Post by Pawpaw » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:28 pm

Here's a link to the letter DPS sent to FFLs. It includes the URL for the validation page.

http://www.dps.texas.gov/director_staff ... ChkLtr.pdf
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Post by Grayling813 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:29 pm

Just tried it with my LTC number so it’s available to anyone.

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Post by KLB » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:07 pm

Grayling813 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:29 pm
Just tried it with my LTC number so it’s available to anyone.
Yep, mine worked, too.


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Post by LDP » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:20 pm

kg5ie wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:00 pm
Anyone else hearing about a new website/ phone line set up by RSD for FFLs to validate LTC licensees? Supposed to prevent firearm sales to someone with an invalid LTC.
I have never heard the term "invalid LTC". What does that mean? I know my LTC will become invalid the day after it expires. And if it is revoked by LE, it cannot be invalid because it will cease to exist.
I might just be dense today, please forgive my old brain.


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Post by Grayling813 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:24 pm

LDP wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:20 pm
kg5ie wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:00 pm
Anyone else hearing about a new website/ phone line set up by RSD for FFLs to validate LTC licensees? Supposed to prevent firearm sales to someone with an invalid LTC.
I have never heard the term "invalid LTC". What does that mean? I know my LTC will become invalid the day after it expires. And if it is revoked by LE, it cannot be invalid because it will cease to exist.
I might just be dense today, please forgive my old brain.
From the TSRA email:
A valid Texas LTC may be used as an alternative permit under 18 U.S.C. § 922(t) to authorize a firearm transfer without the otherwise required national instant criminal background (NICS) check. However, in some instances, an LTC may have been revoked, but the actual card may not have been surrendered by the license holder. In such instances, the LTC should not be used as an alternative permit. While the department is not aware of an invalid LTC used in such a manner, providing FFLs with a convenient avenue to verify an LTC is an important safeguard to prevent such action.

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Post by joe817 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:28 pm

Grayling813 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:29 pm
Just tried it with my LTC number so it’s available to anyone.
It's available to anyone that has your LTC number. To that, I can agree.
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Post by kg5ie » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:19 pm

Doesn't that violate the statute that says RSD won't release LTC data without a court order?
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Post by jmorris » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:28 pm

kg5ie wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:19 pm
Doesn't that violate the statute that says RSD won't release LTC data without a court order?
You've already provided all the data by giving the seller your LTC. The website just validates that the LTC is valid,
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Post by C-dub » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:23 am

I'm not entering my number into that thing since I know it's valid.

However, for those that have, after you enter it what happens? Does it only indicate validity or does it also give any other personal information? If it does I don't like that AT ALL.

It won't take long for someone to set something up to randomly or sequentially enter numbers and come up with a complete list of Texas LTC holders.


EDIT: I'm still eating my breakfast and waking up this morning. I just tried it making up an 8 digit number and all it says is that is the following:
This license may be used as an alternative permit under 18 U.S.C. § 922(t) to purchase a firearm as of 11/15/2019.
I've tried a few and haven't found an invalid one yet.
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Post by Papa_Tiger » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:28 am

C-dub wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:23 am
I'm not entering my number into that thing since I know it's valid.

However, for those that have, after you enter it what happens? Does it only indicate validity or does it also give any other personal information? If it does I don't like that AT ALL.

It won't take long for someone to set something up to randomly or sequentially enter numbers and come up with a complete list of Texas LTC holders.
I didn't enter my number but typed in a random number that looked like it could be in sequence. All that came back was a message stating that "License number XXXXXXXX is valid." No other information, just the LTC number that had been entered and a note that the number was currently valid.

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Post by AJSully421 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:37 am

I am alright with it... after all, we are allowing someone to bypass a NICS check with this card. If you are an FFL, the very least that you should do is train your employees on the security features of a Texas ID and LTC card, and then use this website to verify that an LTC is valid.

I have a PowerPoint presentation on license security features. If anyone wants it, pm me your email address.
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Post by LDP » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:45 pm

Another way to look at it is that my license could be invalid without me knowing, IOW someone has the power to invalidate my license. And possibly without notifying me. So then I might be carrying a weapon on me and become a felon easily. That worries me.

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Post by joe817 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:28 pm

C-dub wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:23 am
I'm not entering my number into that thing since I know it's valid.

However, for those that have, after you enter it what happens? Does it only indicate validity or does it also give any other personal information? If it does I don't like that AT ALL.

It won't take long for someone to set something up to randomly or sequentially enter numbers and come up with a complete list of Texas LTC holders.

EDIT: I'm still eating my breakfast and waking up this morning. I just tried it making up an 8 digit number and all it says is that is the following:
This license may be used as an alternative permit under 18 U.S.C. § 922(t) to purchase a firearm as of 11/15/2019.
I've tried a few and haven't found an invalid one yet.
That's what popped up for me when I entered my number. Yikes! Anyone with a random number generator can eventually get all the hits they desire.

That's scary. Good bye confidentially.
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