Private party bill of sale - non LTC

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Private party bill of sale - non LTC

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Post by mdubtx » Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:11 pm

I have decided to sell to a non CHL private party. I have the bill of sale from Gun Trader.

Do we need to exchange full addresses and drivers license numbers?

Okay just to record names and that I looked at their ID?

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Re: Private party bill of sale - non LTC

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Post by mdubtx » Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:15 pm

I know (think I know) I could sell it without a bill of sale in Texas. I like the idea of having something though since they are not LTC. At least this has them saying they meet the same qualifications as the transfer form.
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Post by Solaris » Fri Feb 26, 2016 1:53 pm

mdubtx wrote:I have decided to sell to a non CHL private party. I have the bill of sale from Gun Trader.

Do we need to exchange full addresses and drivers license numbers?

Okay just to record names and that I looked at their ID?

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No Bill of Sale required in Texas, so to answer your question, you do NOT need to exchange full addresses and drivers license numbers or even record names.


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Post by mrvmax » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:05 pm

Definitely not required but it may make you feel better using it.


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Post by MikeyJ » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:19 pm

There's also the ATF Private Transfer form that you could use as another option.

http://www.defensivestrategies.org/down ... erForm.pdf


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Post by rotor » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:33 pm

Legally you don't have to fill out this info but what is a good reason to not do it? What if the gun has been used in a crime? I have bought many guns using the downloaded Bill of Sale and personally won't buy from anyone without all of the bill of sale filled out. Maybe 10 years from now you will need it. Not legally required but I consider it CYA.


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Post by mayor » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:35 pm

A bill of sale protects both seller and buyer. The seller can show the bill if (heaven forbid) something bad happens and the seller can't claim the gun was stolen. I like to think I can trust people, but you never know.


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Post by Solaris » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:40 pm

rotor wrote:Legally you don't have to fill out this info but what is a good reason to not do it? What if the gun has been used in a crime? I have bought many guns using the downloaded Bill of Sale and personally won't buy from anyone without all of the bill of sale filled out. Maybe 10 years from now you will need it. Not legally required but I consider it CYA.
There is no good reason to do it. I sold a gun to a person who turned out to be a criminal, looking back I am so glad he did not have my personal info, he would have broken into my home and robbed me for sure. Exchanging personal data with a complete stranger is a bad idea always IMO. Folks can do what they want, I will never give my DL info to a stranger.

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Post by WildBill » Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:41 pm

The OP didn't say if he knew the person or not.
That would make a difference to me.
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Post by rotor » Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:50 pm

Solaris wrote:
rotor wrote:Legally you don't have to fill out this info but what is a good reason to not do it? What if the gun has been used in a crime? I have bought many guns using the downloaded Bill of Sale and personally won't buy from anyone without all of the bill of sale filled out. Maybe 10 years from now you will need it. Not legally required but I consider it CYA.
There is no good reason to do it. I sold a gun to a person who turned out to be a criminal, looking back I am so glad he did not have my personal info, he would have broken into my home and robbed me for sure. Exchanging personal data with a complete stranger is a bad idea always IMO. Folks can do what they want, I will never give my DL info to a stranger.
Did you sell your gun to someone not legally allowed to buy it? How many criminals will show you their drivers license and fill out a bill of sale? The law doesn't require a bill of sale and I guess as a seller you don't have to provide your info but I wouldn't buy anything from you unless I knew you and had at least your DL info. I trust nobody. I am sure that when you sold the firearm you didn't know you were selling to a criminal but perhaps the "I trust nobody" should be part of your scenario also.


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Post by mrvmax » Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:44 pm

rotor wrote:Legally you don't have to fill out this info but what is a good reason to not do it? What if the gun has been used in a crime? I have bought many guns using the downloaded Bill of Sale and personally won't buy from anyone without all of the bill of sale filled out. Maybe 10 years from now you will need it. Not legally required but I consider it CYA.
What is a good reason not to do it? Because pro 2a guys who complain about the governments unnecessary gun regulation feel the need to make up their own rules when they sell personal firearms.


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Post by mdubtx » Fri Feb 26, 2016 5:59 pm

WildBill wrote:The OP didn't say if he knew the person or not.
That would make a difference to me.

Don't know them.
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Post by mdubtx » Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:00 pm

Solaris wrote:
rotor wrote:Legally you don't have to fill out this info but what is a good reason to not do it? What if the gun has been used in a crime? I have bought many guns using the downloaded Bill of Sale and personally won't buy from anyone without all of the bill of sale filled out. Maybe 10 years from now you will need it. Not legally required but I consider it CYA.
There is no good reason to do it. I sold a gun to a person who turned out to be a criminal, looking back I am so glad he did not have my personal info, he would have broken into my home and robbed me for sure. Exchanging personal data with a complete stranger is a bad idea always IMO. Folks can do what they want, I will never give my DL info to a stranger.
You nailed my primary reason for not wanting to share personal information such as my address. What if...
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Post by mdubtx » Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:08 pm

I have not had any red flags raised by our conversations. I started my post wanting to make sure I was not negating the purpose of the bill of sale. But, then realized I was overthinking the matter since there is no bill of sale required. I don't see anything wrong with asking him to sign something stating that he meets the conditions of a transfer form without getting his personal info. I wouldn't ask for his and refuse to give my own. And, see no reason to give him mine.
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Post by Solaris » Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:12 pm

rotor wrote:
Solaris wrote:
rotor wrote:Legally you don't have to fill out this info but what is a good reason to not do it? What if the gun has been used in a crime? I have bought many guns using the downloaded Bill of Sale and personally won't buy from anyone without all of the bill of sale filled out. Maybe 10 years from now you will need it. Not legally required but I consider it CYA.
There is no good reason to do it. I sold a gun to a person who turned out to be a criminal, looking back I am so glad he did not have my personal info, he would have broken into my home and robbed me for sure. Exchanging personal data with a complete stranger is a bad idea always IMO. Folks can do what they want, I will never give my DL info to a stranger.
Did you sell your gun to someone not legally allowed to buy it?
He was legally allowed, but had a side business as a burglar.

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